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hammertime said:
Where would you draw the line?

The Irish? The Chinese? The Alphabet folks?
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I don't purport to wield some reparations-deciding pen, but I don't think it's all too difficult to - just for example - 'limit' reparations to descendants of chattel slavery. That would not include the Irish, or Chinese. IDK wtf you're referencing with "The Alphabet folks" and probably don't want to.
nickers said:
What about Italians who did not get hired for jobs when they came here too...
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I personally don't foresee reparations for descendants of employment discrimination but I do think one form of reparations would be to include in lessons about race the different experience of northern and southern Italians, and how darker skinned southern Italians were racialized while northern Italians were often white passing
jaydog said:
Kraft can't do that and still be an owner of an NFL team. Cancel culture would destroy him as a rich, white, racist old man.
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I disagree and think this misses the point I've been trying to make. If Kraft acknowledged he sees color and gave a thoughtful answer about his own efforts to understand / grapple with race & racism, cancel culture would not destroy him as a racist. Cancel culture would be surprised as hell and probably not know what to do.
jaydog said:
As far as reparations, the calculation would never be enough for some people, and we will eventually end up right back where we are now. Where some will not be satisfied and another will feel they gave too much.
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OK, so, you're stating the truism that 'no process will satisfy every single person involved' -- yep, as with anything anywhere always
'we will eventually end up right back where we are now' -- this is simply a baseless assertion, there is no supporting evidence or reason as to why this is/might be true
jaydog said:
All the while people who were slaves were not just black people. There were other races too.
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Reparations for all descendants of chattel slaves.
hammertime said:
Native Americans? Handing out money always sounds good until someone’s got to pay for it.
I’m interested in whether you’ve thought about where the reperarations should come from?
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Reparations & LandBack go hand in hand. So, yes, I believe in reparations for Indigenous people as well.

Reparations aren't just a matter of "handing out money." Reparations include meaningful, public acknowledgment of harms caused (think Truth & Reconciliation commissions) and genuine expressions of desires for atonement, for being accountable to these harms (let's just focus on the US as a nation-state, for example). And then committing to processes of relationship-building with descendant communities / organizations to understand what reparations might actually look like -- because it could look differently in different places, amongst different communities, all of which have different needs and different visions of what reparations would look like, for them.

And um, we give billions to the genocidal state of Isreal, and the Pentagon fails its audit miserably every year leaving billions unaccounted for domestically as well. We can afford reparations easily if we just get our f**ng priorities straight in the world.
 
Since we disagree on cancel culture, in many instances it is the notion that a rich white man openly comments on racism that gets him cancelled. Cancel culture is not forgiving to white men of power under any circumstance. The fact that you acknowledge there is a cancel culture is proof of it in some way. Otherwise, Kraft could openly comment on racism without regard for retribution. Is it possible you can explain cancel culture's benefit or detriment to society since it impacts discussions on racism?

If it is a baseless assertion that we will end up right back to where we are now, as you have stated, show evidence of how reparations will resolve racism in this country and how any rich white man today could atone for slavery that happened generations earlier and not have cancel culture question his motives? Btw, I agree that just handing out money is a waste of time. And money. We do that too often in this country and expect positive outcomes that never materialize.

One other thing is if reparations are to be handed out to people many generations later what precedent does that open up for other harms done by people four, five and six generations removed? We have a statute of limitations in this country. I'm not sure how it would be applied particularly in cases of slavery where damn near anyone can make a claim to have been a descendent of a slave. Is there even a reliable accounting for who were slaves and for how long? As opposed to who might be a lying POS who immigrated here in 1901 and never registered? I don't know.
 
jaydog said:
in many instances it is the notion that a rich white man openly comments on racism that gets him cancelled
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Name a single instance in which a white man has thoughtfully - with care, humility, and grace - "commented upon" race / racism and gotten canceled for it. You can't, because that has never happened.

Old white men get canceled for saying racist things. Saying racist things is very different from thoughtfully commenting on the existence / impacts of race.

I don't know how else to get this across, it's like you somehow can't understand the difference between the two. Possibly because so few white men model the ability to tactfully acknowledge and speak openly about race (other than in a mode of defensiveness), so you have no examples to look to / draw from. Understandable.
 
Any examples that would qualify would be stricken from the record is more likely to happen so I would ask you to show me examples of any rich or powerful white man talking on the record about race who hasn't been cancelled. It's not that I don't believe you. I don't see that happening ever is closer to what I've seen.

You sound exasperated over the subject saying I have no examples. Understandable. Show me your examples that confirm your theories.
 
jaydog said:
Any examples that would qualify would be stricken from the record is more likely to happen so I would ask you to show me examples of any rich or powerful white man talking on the record about race who hasn't been cancelled. It's not that I don't believe you. I don't see that happening ever is closer to what I've seen.

You sound exasperated over the subject saying I have no examples. Understandable. Show me your examples that confirm your theories.
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mathew McConaughey on episode of uncomfortable conversations. Mark Cuban in multiple interviews. To name a couple of rich and powerful white men.

Oh, and cancel culture doesn't see race. Cancel culture has gone after people of all race and religion. It's not forgiving to anyone, not just rich and white.
 
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