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Brandon Weeden

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Forget Tannenbombs. This guy took Oklahoma State where they've never been before with a defense that ranked 107th out of 120 teams - meaning he had one of the worst margin of errors in Division IA football:
<table id="team-defense-total" class="tablesorter medium-stat" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="even"><td class="c">107.</td><td class="text-stat">Oklahoma St.</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">100</td><td class="c">5348</td><td class="c">5.31</td><td class="c">39</td><td class="c">445.67</td></tr><tr class="odd"><td class="c">108.</td><td class="text-stat">Maryland</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">937</td><td class="c">5486</td><td class="c">5.85</td><td class="c">53</td><td class="c">457.17</td></tr><tr class="even"><td class="c">109.</td><td class="text-stat">Indiana</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">854</td><td class="c">5504</td><td class="c">6.44</td><td class="c">55</td><td class="c">458.67</td></tr><tr class="odd"><td class="c">110.</td><td class="text-stat">Arizona</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">839</td><td class="c">5526</td><td class="c">6.59</td><td class="c">54</td><td class="c">460.50</td></tr><tr class="even"><td class="c">111.</td><td class="text-stat">Rice</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">856</td><td class="c">5545</td><td class="c">6.48</td><td class="c">53</td><td class="c">462.08</td></tr><tr class="odd"><td class="c">112.</td><td class="text-stat">New Mexico St.</td><td class="c">13</td><td class="c">964</td><td class="c">6008</td><td class="c">6.23</td><td class="c">65</td><td class="c">462.15</td></tr><tr class="even"><td class="c">113.</td><td class="text-stat">Troy</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">928</td><td class="c">5580</td><td class="c">6.01</td><td class="c">52</td><td class="c">465.00</td></tr><tr class="odd"><td class="c">114.</td><td class="text-stat">Baylor</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">918</td><td class="c">5730</td><td class="c">6.24</td><td class="c">56</td><td class="c">477.50</td></tr><tr class="even"><td class="c">115.</td><td class="text-stat">Texas Tech</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">904</td><td class="c">5827</td><td class="c">6.45</td><td class="c">62</td><td class="c">485.58</td></tr><tr class="odd"><td class="c">115.</td><td class="text-stat">UAB</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">869</td><td class="c">5827</td><td class="c">6.71</td><td class="c">58</td><td class="c">485.58</td></tr><tr class="even"><td class="c">117.</td><td class="text-stat">Memphis</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">887</td><td class="c">5892</td><td class="c">6.64</td><td class="c">55</td><td class="c">491.00</td></tr><tr class="odd"><td class="c">118.</td><td class="text-stat">New Mexico</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">877</td><td class="c">5905</td><td class="c">6.73</td><td class="c">70</td><td class="c">492.08</td></tr><tr class="even"><td class="c">119.</td><td class="text-stat">Ball St.</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">904</td><td class="c">6124</td><td class="c">6.77</td><td class="c">54</td><td class="c">510.33</td></tr><tr class="odd"><td class="c">120.</td><td class="text-stat">Kansas</td><td class="c">12</td><td class="c">866</td><td class="c">6197</td><td class="c">7.16</td><td class="c">68</td><td class="c">516.42</td></tr></tbody></table>
Here's a cut and paste fromnfldraftscout.com:<table class="data" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="title"><td>Overview</td></tr> <tr class="row1"><td> Scouts hope Weeden has a better pro career than former Florida State quarterback Chris Weinke, who won a national championship with the Seminoles before having a nondescript six years with the Carolina Panthers as their fourth-round pick in 2001 (plus a few weeks with San Francisco in 2007). The New York Yankees drafted Weeden in the second round of the 2002 draft, then he pitched for the Dodgers and Royals before a torn labrum and tendinitis in his rotator cuff ended his baseball career. Instead of having surgery on his injuries, he decided to pursue football. He redshirted the 2007 season and played sparingly in 2008 and 2009 (15-24, 248 yards, four touchdowns, interception in three games) before putting up first-team All-Big 12 numbers in 2010 (66.9 completion pct, 4,277 yards, 34 TD, 13 INT) with a ruptured throwing thumb suffered in Week 2.

Weeden led the Cowboys to an 11-1 regular-season record and a victory over Stanford in 2011, breaking school records in total attempts, completions, yards and touchdowns that were held by coach Mike Gundy or former Cowboys quarterback Zac Robinson. Weeden will have the same problem Chris Weinke did entering the 2001 draft ? he?s already 28 years old. His injury history also will be noted by scouts. Quarterbacks can play into their mid-30s or later, however, and Weeden insists his football throwing motion does not aggravate his baseball arm maladies. He certainly has the arm strength and size teams look for at the position, so it won't be a surprise if a team uses a pick in the top half of the draft on his physical attributes if he checks out medically.
</td></tr> </tbody></table> <table class="data" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="title"><td>Analysis</td></tr> <tr class="row1"><td> Positives: Sticks throws into tight windows over the middle, throwing to spot on slant or between zone defenders before receiver is open. Baseball pitcher background translates to NFL arm strength. Sprays the ball anywhere on the field, especially when given a pocket from which to deliver. Shows touch on fades and shorter throws and doesn?t overthrow passes to open receivers. Will step up into pocket while looking downfield, reset his feet and deliver. Tough player who takes a hit and bounces back up; played most of the 2010 season with a ruptured tendon in his right (throwing) thumb. Team leader on the practice and game fields.
Negatives: Sails throws to either sideline; receivers make him look good with acrobatic catches. Back-foot throws are not accurate. Sometimes trusts his arm too much, trying to stick passes late in the play or when he is off-balance. Gets lazy with footwork at times; will flip balls into dangerous places. Pats the ball before throwing. Almost always works out of shotgun formation on passing plays. Fails to see blitzers, opening himself up to backside pressure. Tries to avoid pressure by throwing late over the middle. Old for a rookie at 28.
</td></tr> </tbody></table> <table class="data" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="title"><td>2010 Season</td></tr> <tr class="row1"><td> Selected by the Big 12 coaches and Associated Press and finished third in AP's player of the year balloting behind two teammates (Justin Blackmon and Kendall Hunter) … Ended the season third nationally in passing yards (4,277), No. 16 in points responsible for at 15.7, No. 16 nationally and tops in the Big 12 with an efficiency rating of 154.10 … Was sixth nationally with 34 touchdown passes against just 13 interceptions … Had seven 300-yard passing games and three 400-yard games … He also had at least one touchdown pass in every game, at least two TD passes in 11 games and he had three TD passes against Washington State, Tulsa, Louisiana, Baylor and Kansas … Against Tulsa, he had six touchdown passes to go with 409 yards … He had passed for 328 yards by halftime of the Tulsa game … Had a completion of at least 38 yards in every game … His single-game yardage totals that rank in OSU's all-time top 10 include a school-record 435 against Baylor … He had the fourth highest total twice with 409 yards against Tulsa and Texas … He had the school's seventh best game when he had 389 vs. Kansas … His 356-yard effort vs. Texas Tech is No. 10 all-time … Completed more than 70 percent of his passes five times … Against Baylor he was 34 of 42 for 81 percent.
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Another cut and paste from WalterFootball.com:
Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 219.
Projected 40 Time: 4.90.
Arm: 30 5/8. Hand: 9 1/2.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.
1/9/12: Weeden completed 72 percent of his passes for 4,727 yards for 37 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. He had a massive game in leading a furious comeback win over Texas A&M. Weeden had a rough game against Iowa State in an upset loss that killed any hope of Oklahoma State reaching the BCS National Championship Game. Throughout 2011, he displayed a strong, accurate arm and good pocket passing skills.

Weeden finished his season with a huge game against a good Stanford defense. In the Fiesta Bowl, he threw for 399 yards and three touchdowns. Having Justin Blackmon made his job a lot easier as the nation's best receiver accounted for 186 of those yards, and all three touchdowns. If Weeden were six or seven years younger, he would be ranked at the very least on the second day of the draft.

8/18/11: Brandon Weeden is college football's current version of Chris Weinke, a baseball prospect who turned to football in his mid-20s. As a result, Weeden is going to be a 29-year old rookie in the NFL. Last year, he completed 67 percent of his passes for 4,277 yards with 34 touchdowns against 13 interceptions. Weeden did a fabulous job of getting the ball to his play makers. He has a strong arm, excellent pocket presence, good decision making and can make all the throws. Weeden's age is such a limiting factor in his draft status. It is essential for Weeden to show coaches that he is a quick learner who won't have much of a learning curve in the NFL.

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The world according to Flugel. This kid may be available anywhere from round 3-5 depending upon what scouting report is read. I LOVE the 6'4" height. When we talk of transcending a level of a program to BCS caliber relevance - why shouldn't we ask what specifically LED Oklahoma State to a level they haven't seen in years? Some people were getting volcanic activity behind the zippers when Matt Barkley almost kept up with Standford's scoring pace. Weeden actually outscored Andrew Luck's offense head to head. I know he's 28 just like Kurt Warner was when his NFL career went "LAND HO!" However, there were 3 SB appearances and plenty of Pro Bowls after age 28 to say he still power-stealthed in a nice long career.
 
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When it came time to separate himself from the pack at the Senior Bowl, if didn't take the ball and run with it. 28 going on 29 and coming out of a not ready for NFL offense means he is a guy who might have to sit for a year or two and learn how to play in a pro style offense. If you are afraid of RGIII because he is a Big 12 product then how could you like someone 6 years older then him coming from a simular spread offense........................He's may only be a career backup and it will be a shorter career because of his age.
 
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When it came time to separate himself from the pack at the Senior Bowl, if didn't take the ball and run with it. 28 going on 29 and coming out of a not ready for NFL offense means he is a guy who might have to sit for a year or two and learn how to play in a pro style offense. If you are afraid of RGIII because he is a Big 12 product then how could you like someone 6 years older then him coming from a simular spread offense........................He's may only be a career backup and it will be a shorter career because of his age.
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That's a valid concern Ytown. However, I'm not talking round 1 or round 2. I'm looking at the projection and he's a mid to late round prospect. I don't want to retype what I already typed. If you get a chance take a look at what I wrote at the bottom of the first post in this thread.

Charlie Frye was a Senior Bowl MVP while we have some very entertaining post combine discussions about some premature Cam Newton conclusions. Keep in mind these conclusions were made after a day of throwing to complete strangers with all different speeds.
 
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That's a valid concern Ytown. However, I'm not talking round 1 or round 2. I'm looking at the projection and he's a mid to late round prospect. I don't want to retype what I already typed. If you get a chance take a look at what I wrote at the bottom of the first post in this thread.

Charlie Frye was a Senior Bowl MVP while we have some very entertaining post combine discussions about some premature Cam Newton conclusions. Keep in mind these conclusions were made after a day of throwing to complete strangers with all different speeds.
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Flugs, my only problem with him, even as a 3rd or 4th round pick is that he is a prospect and give him a few years to grasp being an NFL QB and he's over 30. Plus, one thing that has to be ironed out is if he can pass a physical. He has a torn labrum from baseball that he never got fixed. He says it doesn't bother him throwing a football but he can' throw a baseball. How long will the arm hold up?

I just have a problem with "developmental prospects" that old. Age aside, I think there are guys with better talent that you can grab in round 3 and later. Besides Foles that I like but not before mid 3rd round, Osweiler and Cousins would be decent mid round developmental prospects.

The reason I'm not too high on any of them is that I think we already have our mid round developmental prospect in McCoy. The problem with him is that he shouldn't have been starting before he was ready and on a team with no help around him. But, worse case scenario is that we have a very solid backup for years going forward that has a chance to develop into a starter. Colt is still lacks experience ans is still a work in progress I don't think we need another guy like that. If the Browns don't want to go big at QB this year then they might want to look at grabbing a guy like Kolb is he is released from AZ. He would cost no picks and little money and let him compete with Colt. At worst he's a better backup then Wallace, as far as I'm concerned, and cheaper.
 
Okay. Thanks Ytown. I see where you are coming from especially if he's 28 and needs 3 more years to get it. I like Case Keenum a little better and he could be a steal IMO should the RGIII thing not materialize.

I just hope we don't reach on a Tannehill type.
 
Flugel said:
Okay. Thanks Ytown. I see where you are coming from especially if he's 28 and needs 3 more years to get it. I like Case Keenum a little better and he could be a steal IMO should the RGIII thing not materialize.

I just hope we don't reach on a Tannehill type.
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Keenen, Osweiler or Cousins........................all are prospects and we already have one of those. That's my only reason for not wanting to go there.

But, maybe it's something the FO wants to try to do over this time around. Colt (the 3rd round pick) was suppose to sit for two years and learn. Unfortunately, two QBs went down with ankle sprains and then Colt actually showed some positive game. I think they knew he wasn't ready for prime time but he was the best of the bunch. They surely didn't help his development this year with a patchwork OL, a running game that went south because of injuries and a group of WRs that were subpar.

That said, Colt is probably in a place of no return and is in that learn on the job mode. So the QB experiment that this group likes to with mid round picks might be on the front burner again. This time they need to follow their plan like was done with guys like Brunell, Hasselback, Kolb and Flynn. Some of those mid rounders develop and some don't but that's why they were mid rounders. Just don't throw them to the sharks like they did with McCoy.

With a bottom of the fourth or top of the 5th pick my choice might be Osweiler or Keenen. Two completely different guys but both might be projects worth taking on. That said, you still need to bring in someone to compete with Colt this year and I don't think Wallace is the guy to push him.
 
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This is likely your QBOTF, and he is also likely the #1 pick most years if he is 22 year old.

We may even have to snag him in the first round with our second pick, although I really hope we can land him in round 2.

Age aside, he's a much better QB than Tannehill.
 
He played professional baseball and was a pitcher. Which involved putting a much smaller ball into a much smaller target at much higher speeds. He has the benefit of maturity and leadership and knows how to handle a tough day on the field. Something rookies have a problem with doing... they let ints rffect their attitude... attitude effects performance.

He has composure, not afraid to fail.

Id say hes worth a second rounder
 
So he has handled pressure in sport.

What's holding Weedon back, compared to Weinke (who ... didn't he go to an Ivy league school or something?) who was projected as a top QB prospect despite his age coming out of the draft... It's just little things like that to me that I wonder about...

I don't know, I think this team has way too many needs to take a QB in rd. 2. Either you aim higher than Colt... or you leave him be, I don't think anyone outside RGIII/Luck is clear cut better than Colt. That's just my gut feeling.
 
He went to college and got drafted to play Baseball and become MLB player. I want to know.

Why did he give up baseball to go back to College then play American Football. Why not become American Football player instead of Baseball.

Just interested.
 
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Who is interested in him ? apart from us. Which team need a quarterback apart from Miami.
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I think it depends on how far he falls. The more he falls, he may be able to draw some interest.

I can see ARI, NYJ, CLE, MIA, TB, HOU and maybe DET as options in the third and lower rounds.
 
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