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Browns The salary cap thread

OBR stuff from Duffin:

Currently - $19,722,120 (this is the least it can be)

If they extend him to say $40m a year extension, this is comfortably over Nick Bosa’s $34m a year but there are some other top edges getting paid this offseason you end up with approximately $24m

If traded his cap hit ends up at $36,216,220

So if the Browns trade Myles they lose a DPOTY talent & $60m of spending power compared to extending him.

The reason for this is if you pay $60m of signing/option bonus money it only counts as $12m on the 2025 salary cap due to this money being split over five years.

This is why trading Garrett is a decision between competing in 2025 or full rebuild. The worst possible decision you can make is some middle ground.

If you move him then you may as well send Ward for a late first, trade Newsome for a future 4th/5th. See if someone wants Njoku for a 2nd rounder. The next year you are going to be competent is 2027 so clear off as much of the roster as possible and do a two year full rebuild.

I loath this idea, but it’s the only credible option on the table if you want to move Garrett.

The version I prefer is extend Myles, get Cousins who if playing like his normal self is a top 16 QB for a year, add Mac Jones who played like a top 16 QB in his rookie year, and draft a QB.

That combo of three will hopefully get you to the playoffs and if not add more QBs next offseason.

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So, in his view, trading Myles necessitates a rebuild.
My worry is Jimmy will get some dumb idea like "fine, let's tank for a couple of years, and time it all up for Brook Park in 2029", which is about when we'd have hope again.

Woof, it's hard being a Browns fan.
 
Already, because of the Watson trade and Chubb's injury, we're in a mild rebuild. I don't expect Sanders or Ward to explode on the scene like Jayden Daniels. I think either can be a very good NFL franchise QB, but not right out of the box (maybe Sanders). So we're looking at 2026 at the earliest and 2027more likely as the best chance for us to become relevant again.
 
The only leverage Garrett has is to refuse to restructure his contract to help create cap space. But if he does that, he becomes a hypocrite. "I want to win, but I'm going to make the Browns less competitive."
 
The salary cap is going to explode again, and it’s all because of this change in how Nielsen measures ratings.

Starting this year, they are leaning into using data directly from Smart TV manufacturers to measure viewing habits in addition to the traditional at-home panel method.

This means NFL ratings in particular from Sunday Ticket on YouTube are going to be more accurately measured…and that number is going to be way bigger than you think because of just how many Gen-Z and Millennials consume football on streaming services.

More accurate ratings means the league’s next broadcast rights negotiation in 2028/2029 is going to be WAY more expensive…which ultimately means massive jumps in the salary cap.

If I’m a GM, that means next year…or maybe even this year…I can sign some truly outrageously back-loaded deals with a ton of funny money that all slams home in 2030 and not even care about the math.

 
Well, it's similar to data they could have had from traditional cable and satellite. The NFL i am sure got the data via ATT/DTV any way for Sunday Ticket.

Cable, seudo cable/streaming, smart TVs, and the apps themselves can track use/what was viewed. Nothing new to it. More has been them and companies that provide similar solutions trying to figure out how to monetize that data.

I don't think it will necessarily be a slam dunk for smart TV makers to just provide data to Neilson. For starters to have an app like YouTube TV on their device there are licensing agreements between the two. TV maker or the OS provider (Roku, Xumo, etc) have to pay per unit fees to the app. Follow branding rules. Some have different certification requirements. Plus more. Long winded way of saying those agreements are going to specify ownership and use rights of data which is collected. To probably no surprise those are in the app partners favor.

I don't think number of subscribers for Sunday Ticket on YouTube will surprise anyone. They know how many they had on ATT/DTV. There is available fairly accurate numbers for cable/satellite subscribers, and how many they are losing. They will have survey data on how many people would subscribe just to Sunday Ticket. I'd be surprised if the numbers were outside 10-20% of their nominal projections.

Baring some drastic change in the video market the NFL will be backing up a lot of brinks trucks no matter the Neilson numbers. Streaming services have shown they have no problem with resetting the market to get live sports. The traditional networks have realized they are no longer in a negotiating position of strength. Live sports has become pretty much the only space left where consumers can't avoid commercials, thus increasing what is paid for advertising during it. Come next contracts we will probably be looking at the local/national games on Amazon, Netflix, and maybe Peacock instead of Fox, CBS, and ABC/ESPN.
 
Boom.

2023: $224M
2024: $255M
2025: $280M

This was part of the reason Watson’s contract was going to be no big deal. It would take up less and less of the cap due to the projected cap increases, which is happening as hoped.

He just can’t do the job at all.

Have said it before. The baggage wasn’t the downfall. The guaranteed money wasn’t the downfall. Everyone said it would be.

What people didn’t question was his on-field ability. 3 time probowler and all. But in the end, the least questioned part of the deal, which was his talent, led to the mess.

But like talking about Baker, I'm also done with talking about Watson. Well, at least Watson is still on the team, and impacting the team.

Onward and upward as they say.

www.espn.com

NFL salary cap to increase at least $22M in 2025

The NFL informed its teams that the salary cap for 2025 would be between $277.5 million and $281.5 million, with the final figure to be determined following further negotiations with the NFLPA.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
OconRecon said:
Boom.

2023: $224M
2024: $255M
2025: $280M

This was part of the reason Watson’s contract was going to be no big deal. It would take up less and less of the cap due to the projected cap increases, which is happening as hoped.

He just can’t do the job at all.

Have said it before. The baggage wasn’t the downfall. The guaranteed money wasn’t the downfall. Everyone said it would be.

What people didn’t question was his on-field ability. 3 time probowler and all. But in the end, the least questioned part of the deal, which was his talent, led to the mess.

But like talking about Baker, I'm also done with talking about Watson. Well, at least Watson is still on the team, and impacting the team.

Onward and upward as they say.

www.espn.com

NFL salary cap to increase at least $22M in 2025

The NFL informed its teams that the salary cap for 2025 would be between $277.5 million and $281.5 million, with the final figure to be determined following further negotiations with the NFLPA.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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I'd say without question the "baggage" greatly affected the talent. It's not, in my opinion, that he lost his talent, though he did look slow to me compared to his time in Houston. I think he lost his drive because of the negative publicity from the scandal. Whatever it was than ruined him, he hid it well from the Browns during the negotiation.
 
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