Browns Deshaun Watson - Football Talk
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TheBestPlayersPlay
Die-Hard
Truth is truth, whether people like it or not.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Quite frankly it was an obvious grift from the moment Better Call Saul paid for an ad on Instagram.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Quite frankly it was an obvious grift from the moment Better Call Saul paid for an ad on Instagram.
Kegeratorz
Well-hung member
Those were the days!
The Haymaker
Well-known member
oh boy.here we go.Its starting to look more and more like we have made a big fu&king mistake trusting DW.
no sympathy for the browns who,at the end of the day were simply trying to find a FQB for our long suffering fandom.
in the "metoo" age? this feels like an impending disaster.the guy hired girls for a job then tried to seduce them.
I guess in his mind hes an arabic prince and these girls are his personal harem? life isnt a mills and boon novel or a penthouse forum and ah..you aint no prince mofo.
I started out optimistic thinking 8 games and he did nothing wrong to hes obviously predatory and hired these girls on a false pretence.I wonder how many male masseuse he hired? this is going bad real fast.he could have cleared this up a year ago cheaply.now?his career in cleveland looks like it could be over before it began.I cant see him taking a snap in '22 at all.
TheBestPlayersPlay
Die-Hard
Literally nothing has changed. Other than a new obvious liar came forward to jump on the gravy train. She isn't going after justice, she is just jumping on the civil case.
It's still been laughed out of court twice. And Watson is still maintaining his innocence, despite the gold diggers being courted publicly by Saul Goodman.
It's still been laughed out of court twice. And Watson is still maintaining his innocence, despite the gold diggers being courted publicly by Saul Goodman.
Newsworthy
Member
Although I don't understand the support from Brown's ownership fully if recent reports are true I wonder if Cleveland has recourse. Reports that the Texans might have played a role in Watson's alleged predatorial affairs by acting as enabler is disturbing. Even if they didn't understand the extent they had to know more than let on. If Watson is suspended an entire year and the truth shows he is not innocent of the alleged misconduct than how is the Texans franchise not liable civily?
Newsworthy
Member
Im sorry but I don't agree with the last thing Kines said.
Arrogant behavior? Assuming what Watson did is true than If anyone was/is arrogant its him.
Cleveland isn't all innocent but they are doing simply what the above posted said and that is trying to find a franchise guy. Maybe Houston knew more than first reported but several teams threw a hat in the ring also.
The real question is, Did they do enough due diligence? And Is Watson telling the truth? Was it wrong to trust DW or was the trade an act full of desperation and/or just turning a blind eye? The Hunt move worked out well. People deserve second chances and we have proven guilt in any way yet. Imho Kines is wrong for indicted Cleveland for simply trying to make the team better.
At the same time, How could they have predicted the recent future?
But the negative publicity is enough for me.
So was the risk worth it regardless?
Maybe the NFL should have held up trade discussions prior?
Because I'm going to assume Cleveland would not have made the trade if they knew the current outcome.
The Haymaker
Well-known member
yeah,I have to agree and although TBPP is correct in what he said public sentiment is a powerful thing in 2022.It certainly seems to be gathering momentum away from DW and the browns.
the defences "happy ending" comments are not helpful at all.they would be better served to be silent for now.
is DW defence that good? I dunno..? seems pretty damn stoopid and out of touch to say comments like that.
hammertime
Administrator
So the NFL is gonna tell the world our justice system is t worth a crap?
What the hell is a grand jury for?
Whatever the news says… believe the opposite. And then you have half the truth
What the hell is a grand jury for?
Whatever the news says… believe the opposite. And then you have half the truth
Kegeratorz
Well-hung member
Or don’t waste your time watching/reading it. It’s a much better life!!
Masters
Well-known member
The only thing new to us in the public out of that Times report was the 66 "massage therapists" info. Along with out of those 66 that have not joined the suit some "anonymously" making similar claims of inappropriate behavior.
The host at the end of the clip had it correct when he noted that we are assuming any of this is new info to the Browns or the NFL.
As for the happy ending comment, that's all media spin to make it sound worse than it was. Yeah not the most appropriate term to use, but it's not as damaging as being made out to be. Watson has already admitted he had sexual activity with some of the 24, though consensual according to him.
I am sure at this point Watson's legal team has all kinds of dirt on a bunch of the plaintiff's. But his team is not trying their case in the court of public opinion.
For me it was much more damning of the plaintiff's cases when they now all of a sudden bring the Texans in to the suit. Nothing new came out of that Times story about the Texans. That just tells you that side is just trying to further jade the jury pool via the court of public opinion, and trying to get more money out of this
The host at the end of the clip had it correct when he noted that we are assuming any of this is new info to the Browns or the NFL.
As for the happy ending comment, that's all media spin to make it sound worse than it was. Yeah not the most appropriate term to use, but it's not as damaging as being made out to be. Watson has already admitted he had sexual activity with some of the 24, though consensual according to him.
I am sure at this point Watson's legal team has all kinds of dirt on a bunch of the plaintiff's. But his team is not trying their case in the court of public opinion.
For me it was much more damning of the plaintiff's cases when they now all of a sudden bring the Texans in to the suit. Nothing new came out of that Times story about the Texans. That just tells you that side is just trying to further jade the jury pool via the court of public opinion, and trying to get more money out of this
hammertime
Administrator
It reeks of scum. It just doesn’t reek of criminal activity.
I really want to wait until I here the defense. Which is ridiculous cause he’s innocent right?
I really want to wait until I here the defense. Which is ridiculous cause he’s innocent right?
OconRecon
If you're juiceless, you're useless
The only thing that’s changed is the court of public opinion. We’ll find out how much that matters.
Seems like a year is becoming more likely.
2 years would be crazy with no objective proof or criminal charges.
But 8 games will make it look like the front office’s plan went according to Hoyle. The NFL prob doesn’t want that either.
Seems like a year is becoming more likely.
2 years would be crazy with no objective proof or criminal charges.
But 8 games will make it look like the front office’s plan went according to Hoyle. The NFL prob doesn’t want that either.
MinnyTesteverde
Active member
Here is something I keep coming back to. As a response to " but 20 + women? I say, 20+ women in this day and age, and not one called Watson out at the time? THis is more fucked up than Depp vs Heard.
OconRecon
If you're juiceless, you're useless
Agree. Not one went to the police immediately? Some rescheduled with him? Some put posts on Insta with him afterwards? Not one had a towel or piece of clothing that they thought to keep since they were so violated?
It's been admitted he had sex with some, and that he scheduled with way too may "therapists", so if you want to suspend him for that, frankly it's okay. The Browns knew that going in. Just don't add games for the PR of it.
That's why I hate the court of public opinion on this one.
It's been admitted he had sex with some, and that he scheduled with way too may "therapists", so if you want to suspend him for that, frankly it's okay. The Browns knew that going in. Just don't add games for the PR of it.
That's why I hate the court of public opinion on this one.
BDU
I
As a journalist, I feel there are a lot of pressing questions which need to be explored yet will not be because the current social awareness of women's issues. These issues are important, and the consequences of being perceived to stand directly against the movements are overwhelming.
But our job requires us to toe the line of recklessness, to seek truth even when it's going to piss people off or cost our organisation money. We should not be swayed by potential implications which could case a ripple effect against social movements or simply wanting to be on the right side of history. There is an important story ongoing in Australia right now regarding potential war crimes committed by Australian defence personnel in the Middle East. Those journalists have been accused of failing to support the military, undermining national security, endangering soldiers whose lives depend on making tough decisions, and more.
You just can't say you want to hold power to account and not question the role of the Buzbee and the Houston Texans in these lawsuits. It isn't hard to connect the dots in a multi-billion dollar organisation trying to destroy a disgruntled superstar who took the rare step in a straight up refusal to be part of the team any longer. You have to question the motives of the women, some of whose actions have been questionable. And you have to question the NFL seeking to punish someone for allegations which remain unfounded and did not hold up in court.
That isn't punching down. It is getting the fact. Even when it is unpopular.
But our job requires us to toe the line of recklessness, to seek truth even when it's going to piss people off or cost our organisation money. We should not be swayed by potential implications which could case a ripple effect against social movements or simply wanting to be on the right side of history. There is an important story ongoing in Australia right now regarding potential war crimes committed by Australian defence personnel in the Middle East. Those journalists have been accused of failing to support the military, undermining national security, endangering soldiers whose lives depend on making tough decisions, and more.
You just can't say you want to hold power to account and not question the role of the Buzbee and the Houston Texans in these lawsuits. It isn't hard to connect the dots in a multi-billion dollar organisation trying to destroy a disgruntled superstar who took the rare step in a straight up refusal to be part of the team any longer. You have to question the motives of the women, some of whose actions have been questionable. And you have to question the NFL seeking to punish someone for allegations which remain unfounded and did not hold up in court.
That isn't punching down. It is getting the fact. Even when it is unpopular.
Kegeratorz
Well-hung member
OconRecon
If you're juiceless, you're useless
Like I've said before, if it's a violation of the personal conduct policy (and who really knows what that policy is) to have multiple therapists and have (even consensual) sex with them, then a suspension is warranted.
I'm sure the NFL realizes suspensions have a "no win" element to them. The duration will always be criticized, whether heavy handed or not.
I'm sure the NFL realizes suspensions have a "no win" element to them. The duration will always be criticized, whether heavy handed or not.
Kegeratorz
Well-hung member
Yeah, I don't agree with the NFL but it seems inevitable.
The Haymaker
Well-known member
is workplace sexual harassment against the law in texas? I guess thats the question here. I suspect it isnt written into law but victims can pursue civil cases.Its wrong to hire someone and then try to seduce them.you have a level of authority over your "employee" no matter how temporary your arrangements are.as long as they are working on his body watson is instructing them what to do.he is in authority.If you've ever had a sports massage theres a few things that are really effect the quality
1-experience.a sports massage requires a specialist not a common on the beach rub down from an amateur who has the DVD.
2-weakness.only one thing is worse than a limp handshake and thats its massage equivalent.a small asian girl cannot even deliver a decent sports massage IMO.you need a strong islander girl or a male.weak massage is like weak milky coffee.
3-anyone new.you develop a rhythm with a masseuse who gets to know your body and over time its quicker and more efficient to stick to one specialist.a familiar face is what you want for something as intimate as a massage.not a stranger.
given all that I do believe just given the sheer number of massages in a hotel room? he was attempting to take advantage.
yes some woman continued a relationship with watson because as a masseuse this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to get that high profile client as a regular.thats life changing for their career.Im sorry but,Its despicable what hes done.