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What do you think ?
to me it looks like the 2 traded a few $. over all about the same or a very little more.

Maybe your people were talking proposals budget wise. we know that means nothing to the house. the houses pass whatever they like.

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link to Dan's post
https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/ed...cle_bd1bb8d6-7477-590d-af72-ae4e305de601.html
 
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I don’t have people mad man,
Common sense and objectivity must not compute
in your world?
Didn’t give you a link just a paragraph and the paper
it came from do with it what you want.
You and Cliff are acting like children and all giddy about
the man in orange, I’m out of this enjoy yourselves.
 
I don’t have people mad man,
Common sense and objectivity must not compute
in your world?
Didn’t give you a link just a paragraph and the paper
it came from do with it what you want.
You and Cliff are acting like children and all giddy about
the man in orange, I’m out of this enjoy yourselves.

Can't speak for Mad, but I am not giddy about anything at the moment. Rather I am resigned to the proposition that Trump is the choice available from the Republicans and he is worlds better than any alternative the Dems will be offering anytime soon. Biden is a dimwit. I think the Justice Department and the FBI may be cleaned up by fall. We will see. I hope Trump is reelected in November because I think the State Department is in dire need of a similar cleansing. Maybe after that...
 
Fair enough Cliff,
Without links and charts just you and or MMW,
Where does this end?, what’s the endgame for
a staunch republican in this era,total evisceration
of the two party system?
I’ve never stated that I thought Biden would beat
Trump in fact I’ve called him a human gaff machine more than once,
at this point all I want is to be able to
go to a Browns game with friends and family and
not get sick because of stupidity and politics.
I’m big enough to admit when I’m wrong and I hoped for
that kind of conversation but you guys have begun
just throwing turds at the wall all day just because you can.
I see “Hunter Gate” and republican senators want to start
hearings of wrongdoing in an election they won!
We will never know the full facts of what really happened in 2016
because a lie isn’t even a lie and well.... Hell let the appeals
process work for everyone!
I’m going out to the back yard and work on my fallout bunker!!!
 
Dan

Just relax a moment.

Did I ever flat out insult you ? call you names... like you are dumb, stupid etc
if I ever did or do I am sorry.

I just want facts..... straight answers.
These days it gets harder everyday. now with this virus it's the hardest time in my life of getting the facts. as these "reporters" change or just lie.
I understand none of these people even the doctors have not been thru this before... but still. I just hate being bull shited by anyone.
hell man the only reason I seem to be Red is the Dem's have lost their minds.
the divide is so bad now masks are political. are you fucking kidding me.
 
I’m not a Democrat, that’s the last time I’m saying that.
My dialog with both of you has been myself trying to talk
with both of you on topics that matter without the talking
points and election year distractions or trump and his
ridiculous fairy tales.
Democrats are divided because minorities, Homosexuals
and whatever LGBTQ is, plus tree huggers and all that
comes with a variety of points of view where as republicans
just dig a foxhole and repel anything that might contradict
talking points of the day.
I don’t “hate” trump but he really is the worst experiment
of electing the outsider.
Brownsfan has enjoyed the not so secret filling federal
judgeships with conservative points of view qualified or not
and has fired anyone who contradicts what this presidents needs are.
When it gets right down to it I’m not trying to convince either of you
that your wrong but what IS wrong with the country but as I said for
my own sanity I’m not doing this anymore, I’m exhausted of the trump
presidency but if he gets for more years I hope he grows up but at his
age who else can he be?
Take care fella’s I’ll see you on the Browns page.
 
I’m not a Democrat, that’s the last time I’m saying that.
My dialog with both of you has been myself trying to talk
with both of you on topics that matter without the talking
points and election year distractions or trump and his
ridiculous fairy tales.
Democrats are divided because minorities, Homosexuals
and whatever LGBTQ is, plus tree huggers and all that
comes with a variety of points of view where as republicans
just dig a foxhole and repel anything that might contradict
talking points of the day.
I don’t “hate” trump but he really is the worst experiment
of electing the outsider.
Brownsfan has enjoyed the not so secret filling federal
judgeships with conservative points of view qualified or not
and has fired anyone who contradicts what this presidents needs are.
When it gets right down to it I’m not trying to convince either of you
that your wrong but what IS wrong with the country but as I said for
my own sanity I’m not doing this anymore, I’m exhausted of the trump
presidency but if he gets for more years I hope he grows up but at his
age who else can he be?
Take care fella’s I’ll see you on the Browns page.

So that is your final word? Well, I guess this is my my final word:

You may not be a Democrat, but you always seem to be able to come up with their talking points.

You may not hate Trump, but you never seem to miss an opportunity to slam him.

As for judgeships, I don't recall ever mentioning that, bur since my memory is rather faulty, I hesitate to deny it. I am likely to do or say a lot of things I don't remember. I will admit that I like the direction with respect to judges since I think it was rather out of balance with obscure liberal judges making national policy. Previously, I was under the impression that the President sets policy for the government within limits set by the congress. I wasn't aware until the last three years that judges had that power except unfettered by laws passed by congress. Now that that has been established, it seems to me that we need more judges who will restrain themselves since their seems to be no other restraint upon what judges can do.

Can't speak for Mad, but it is a good thing that you have given up trying to convince me of what you think is wrong with the country since I have a completely different idea of what is wrong with the country than you apparently have. Rather quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

Still, I hate to see this dialogue end. In many ways, it has been fun discussing our differences. And I am pleased to think of you as a fellow Browns fan and I am sure I will continue to enjoy your takes on the Browns. Cheers, friend.
 
Biden is a dimwit.
So is Trump. You should pick a better point of comparison that actually flatters your favorite of the Devil's choices.

Worse still perhaps than being a dimwit himself, Trump is just not a good man. He is the bandleader giddily marching the extremes from both ends (right and left) down a path of tribalism.

Its this most recent example of his utter lack of any moral fiber that saddens many good Americans the most. I expect much much more from the POTUS.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">....about whether or not Joe could have done such a horrible thing? Maybe or maybe not, but I find Joe to be a total Nut Job, and I knew him well, far better than most. So many unanswered & obvious questions, but I won’t bring them up now! Law enforcement eventually will?</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265271286789558273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Psycho Joe Scarborough is rattled, not only by his bad ratings but all of the things and facts that are coming out on the internet about opening a Cold Case. He knows what is happening!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265624335898869760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Joe

So is Trump. You should pick a better point of comparison that actually flatters your favorite of the Devil's choices.

Worse still perhaps than being a dimwit himself, Trump is just not a good man. He is the bandleader giddily marching the extremes from both ends (right and left) down a path of tribalism.

Its this most recent example of his utter lack of any moral fiber that saddens many good Americans the most. I expect much much more from the POTUS.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">....about whether or not Joe could have done such a horrible thing? Maybe or maybe not, but I find Joe to be a total Nut Job, and I knew him well, far better than most. So many unanswered & obvious questions, but I won’t bring them up now! Law enforcement eventually will?</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265271286789558273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Psycho Joe Scarborough is rattled, not only by his bad ratings but all of the things and facts that are coming out on the internet about opening a Cold Case. He knows what is happening!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265624335898869760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Is he punching down ? yep

Has Joe lied about Trump the past 3+ years ? made his $$$ doing so.
this is a big world, lots of stuff happens. but has Joe got Trump's name out of his mouth for even 1 day ? you guess

How is all that going to affect 330 million Americans ? They will be up all night
 
Is he punching down ? yep

Has Joe lied about Trump the past 3+ years ? made his $$$ doing so.
this is a big world, lots of stuff happens. but has Joe got Trump's name out of his mouth for even 1 day ? you guess

How is all that going to affect 330 million Americans ? They will be up all night

Joe Scarborough is an entertainer, a media shill. He's just one of 1,000's that have gone after presidents throughout history.

How many equally dimwit Fox entertainers (again, posing as journalists) made their $$$ from democratic presidents? There's nothing new about Scarborough. What's new is how this POTUS handles such issues. (Directly accusing someone of a murder involvement without a shred of evidence?)

That was an incredibly vapid and lazy argument. We should all demand more from the highest elected post in the nation.
 
So is Trump. You should pick a better point of comparison that actually flatters your favorite of the Devil's choices.

Worse still perhaps than being a dimwit himself, Trump is just not a good man. He is the bandleader giddily marching the extremes from both ends (right and left) down a path of tribalism.

Its this most recent example of his utter lack of any moral fiber that saddens many good Americans the most. I expect much much more from the POTUS.

Well, Grey, I am not going to try to defend Trump's down and dirty argument with Joe Scarborough except to say it isn't one sided.

Now you can argue that a President should be above the fray, but I would imagine that a constant drumbeat of accusations of the type Scarborough and his ilk have initiated can get old, and Trump is a fighter and is obviously capable of fighting about as dirty as his detractors. And you can't say his detractors haven't been at least as dirty as he. So I guess I don't begrudge him all that much.

I do like much of what he has done with respect to foreign affairs, getting NATO to pay their fair share, defeating ISIS and basically ending the constant foreign wars we have been fighting for almost twenty years. I like his trade agreements. And I think his handling of the economy was masterful prior to the coronavirus, and I think he has handled that about as well as might have been expected.

And he is most certainly not a dimwit in the sense that Biden is. So given the choice between Trump and Biden, I tend go with Trump. I take it from your post that you are likely to cancel my vote?

Cheers anyway.
 
That's kinda personal.....
You're a big boy. If the shoe fits, right?


Well, Grey, I am not going to try to defend Trump's down and dirty argument with Joe Scarborough except to say it isn't one sided.
So you are justifying it. Okay Cliff. Duly noted and this is likely an impasse for us. I find Trump's behavior to be so utterly immature and mean-spirited that it comes through to me as pathetic. He's a bully and a blowhard.

I find the ethical gymnastics that his supporters go through to justify or explain all this away to be disingenuous and if possible more pathetic than Trump himself. Its easy to hide behind the "Devil's choice" argument or the "Democrats are evil" argument. But its, again, lazy or worse a ruse.

Maybe people think that being an asshole is just proper, ethical behavior. That is inspiring leadership. Well, actually, we all know that's horseshit.

It would be refreshing to have someone actually tell me, "I think the guy is doing a great job as President. I do also think he's a tremendous douche." Its disheartening how rarely, and I mean rarely, I see anything like that from a supporter.

Now you can argue that a President should be above the fray, but I would imagine that a constant drumbeat of accusations of the type Scarborough and his ilk have initiated can get old
Again, calls into question his mental and emotional fortitude. He's worried about Christie Teigen and John Legend's tweets for example? (Google it if you want). He has the emotional maturity of a child. Talk about majoring in the minors. Put that mental and emotional energy to use doing your damn job instead of tweeting. Its concerning.

and Trump is a fighter and is obviously capable of fighting about as dirty as his detractors.
Again, this is another of the sleights of hand here. He's not a fighter. He's a bully. That's not the same thing.

And spare me the "his detractors fight dirtier" narrative. Newsflash Cliff: Trump's been wallowing in the mud fighting with both real and perceived enemies long before he ran for POTUS.

I do like much of what he has done with respect to foreign affairs, getting NATO to pay their fair share, defeating ISIS and basically ending the constant foreign wars we have been fighting for almost twenty years. I like his trade agreements. And I think his handling of the economy was masterful prior to the coronavirus, and I think he has handled that about as well as might have been expected.
Again, from a policy perspective I would agree with much of what you wrote above. Jury's out on the Corona virus as we simply don't know (and may never know) enough yet to give him a grade.

This goes back to my previous point, however. Unless you are going to tell me the only way to have an effective administration is to vote a complete asshole into the job, we should demand better. The republican party and all its voters are being complicit in this thing. What do I mean?

Well, the "it was either Trump or Hilliary" argument can only be used once. Someday a Democratic president will be elected again. Perhaps this cycle. What the republicans could have done was stand up to the potential wrath of Trump to demand better of him. And if he didn't change (which we know he can't; he's a one trick pony), you pivot to a new Republican candidate in 2020. The Democrats are a complete mess. Surely there's at least one non-asshole Republican that could have beaten a dimwit?

And he is most certainly not a dimwit in the sense that Biden is.
Sure he is. You just like him and/or his politics more than you like Biden's.

So given the choice between Trump and Biden, I tend go with Trump. I take it from your post that you are likely to cancel my vote?
Count on it. We can survive a Democratic president. Hell, we've done it a number of times. I'm much more worried about the future of our nation if the new normal for leadership is modeled after a divisive, narcissistic, mean-spirited bully. That's the real risk in my view. I demand a higher standard.

And Cliff, nothing changes the fact that you're one of my favorites! :)
 
So you are justifying it.

Actually, no. Just making an observation.

Its easy to hide behind the "Devil's choice" argument or the "Democrats are evil" argument. But its, again, lazy or worse a ruse.

Haven't heard the Democrats are evil much, but it is the standard refrain from the left that Republicans are evil. They say that about Trump with some justification, but they said it about Reagan, Bush and Bush just as well. Of course, those three stayed above the fray, but it didn't stop their detractors.

It would be refreshing to have someone actually tell me, "I think the guy is doing a great job as President. I do also think he's a tremendous douche." Its disheartening how rarely, and I mean rarely, I see anything like that from a supporter.

Isn't that basically what I said?

And spare me the "his detractors fight dirtier" narrative. Newsflash Cliff: Trump's been wallowing in the mud fighting with both real and perceived enemies long before he ran for POTUS.

Won't disagree. If you remember, I was a never-Trumper. The thing that changed my mind about Trump was when I learned that during the campaign, he had gone to Detroit and told those bastards that if they didn't bring manufacture of cars back to Detroit that he was going to put a big tariff on those cars and they wouldn't be able to sell them.

Yes, my friend, that changed my mind. That was music to my ears. If Obama had done that, I would have been an Obama disciple forever.

Again, from a policy perspective I would agree with much of what you wrote above. Jury's out on the Corona virus as we simply don't know (and may never know) enough yet to give him a grade.

Fair enough.

This goes back to my previous point, however. Unless you are going to tell me the only way to have an effective administration is to vote a complete asshole into the job, we should demand better. The republican party and all its voters are being complicit in this thing. What do I mean?

Well, if they gave me the choice of a Democrat that would do what Trump has done, I would vote for him.

Well, the "it was either Trump or Hilliary" argument can only be used once. Someday a Democratic president will be elected again. Perhaps this cycle. What the republicans could have done was stand up to the potential wrath of Trump to demand better of him. And if he didn't change (which we know he can't; he's a one trick pony), you pivot to a new Republican candidate in 2020. The Democrats are a complete mess. Surely there's at least one non-asshole Republican that could have beaten a dimwit?

Well, we know the two we have before us. And, anyway, most Republicans and a lot of Democrats are hot-heads who are constantly wanting to go to war over this or that. I would take Trump over any of those. For all his vulgarities, he has had a habit of stopping just short of war.

And Cliff, nothing changes the fact that you're one of my favorites! :)

Same here for you. Have a great evening.
 
Clevelander

You're a big boy. If the shoe fits, right?
What I and the few others that come in here don't call each other names. stupid,ignorant,dumb etc your case Lazy
I just don't see the need to do so. it just shows ones lack of debating skills.
but whatever

It even looks worse when trying to make a point about Trump when you call him asshole. sounds like your just jealous of his number of followers.

For me Trump is the best POTUS we have had in 60 years. he's done more to create jobs the any of them. that's the most important item any of them could ever do. being a real Clevelander. I seen up close how important it is for people to have a job. as I watched from the 70s till the turn of the century as my town went from working class to food stamp people, it wasn't pretty.

So you are voting for a guy that can't remember what state he's in.... ok got it.
 
So you are voting for a guy that can't remember what state he's in.... ok got it.

I liked your post generally but that may have been a bit unfair. I can see how a politician while trekking from state to state might become confused about where he was. I can remember when Obama concluded near the end of his first campaign that he had been to 57 states with one more to go.
 
What I and the few others that come in here don't call each other names. stupid,ignorant,dumb etc your case Lazy
I just don't see the need to do so. it just shows ones lack of debating skills.
but whatever
Telling someone their argument is lazy isn't an insult. Sorry if you took it that way.

It even looks worse when trying to make a point about Trump when you call him asshole. sounds like your just jealous of his number of followers.
So considering someone an asshole equates to jealousy?

In my case I simply just think Trump is a raging asshole. I've met many in my life and he exhibits all the telltales signs; a bunch of which I've already laid out in my response to Cliff.

For me Trump is the best POTUS we have had in 60 years. he's done more to create jobs the any of them. that's the most important item any of them could ever do. being a real Clevelander. I seen up close how important it is for people to have a job. as I watched from the 70s till the turn of the century as my town went from working class to food stamp people, it wasn't pretty.
See, what's your source for this?

Using the Department of Labor's own data, job growth has been pretty consistent coming out of the Great Financial Crisis of '08. A highly accommodating Federal Reserve and favorable support from administrations over this period of time have been credited for providing fuel.

Trump certainly enacted some very business friendly policies but nothing truly out of the norm for any supply-side oriented Republican administration. The truth is there is no consensus from economists that demonstrates a superior approach to economic policy.

So, I'll absolutely give Trump credit for many of his pro-growth and pro-business policies. I said as much in my response to Cliff. But to call him the greatest president in the last 60 years due to his job growth results just doesn't hold water. Happy to look at whatever source data you may have behind your position.


So you are voting for a guy that can't remember what state he's in.... ok got it.
Yeah, I think that's the lesser of two evils considering the alternative is

 
U.S. Unemployment Rate Drops To 3.7 Percent, Lowest In Nearly 50 Years

Happy to look at whatever source data you may have behind your position.
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/05/6544...rops-to-3-7-percent-lowest-in-nearly-50-years
Not Fox news

Biden no joking has lost his fastball. not that he had the best ideas 30 years ago.or eight years ago he will never make it to his second year. he will be forced out at best. so you will be voting for his VP.

These are not the Dem's that I grew up with. and voted for.

Even Joe is not who he was just 12 years ago. he had no real nefarious actions on his record, when he was picked by Obama. he was the cleanest guy that had been in DC the past 35 years at that time. him and Bernie were both poor in 2008 for long time DC'ers.
 
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Using the Department of Labor's own data, job growth has been pretty consistent coming out of the Great Financial Crisis of '08. A highly accommodating Federal Reserve and favorable support from administrations over this period of time have been credited for providing fuel.

Trump certainly enacted some very business friendly policies but nothing truly out of the norm for any supply-side oriented Republican administration. The truth is there is no consensus from economists that demonstrates a superior approach to economic policy.

So, I'll absolutely give Trump credit for many of his pro-growth and pro-business policies. I said as much in my response to Cliff. But to call him the greatest president in the last 60 years due to his job growth results just doesn't hold water. Happy to look at whatever source data you may have behind your position.

Sounds reasonable, all things being equal. But it isn’t equal.

You are equating service jobs with manufacturing jobs, and they are not equal. Understand, of course that Obama did not purposefully expand the service industry at the expense of the manufacturing industry, but he made no effort to prevent it. Instead, he famously remarked that the manufacturing jobs were not coming back, and they weren’t—until Trump.

The difference is that Donald Trump has understood the importance of the manufacturing sector and since becoming President has made a concerted effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to America. Much of the 20th century in America was dominated by the manufacturing sector. However, beginning in the mid-1980s, service industry jobs such as medical, educational, food services and hospitality pulled even with manufacturing jobs by category in the United States, and by the year 2000, the service industry employed about twice as many workers as the manufacturing industry.

By definition, manufacturing industry jobs are involved with making thing while service industry jobs are involved with working with things. So why is this important? Manufacturing produces a product. In that sense, the agricultural industry that dominated in the 19th century is essentially manufacturing in that it produces a product. But the service industry is different. The service industry produces a…service. In short, apart from agriculture which had expanded and shrunk in important ways during that time period, when we lost the major portion of our manufacturing base, we became a nation of servants. Sure, servants have jobs, but is that your ideal? Do you care?

So when Trump went to Detroit and told those executives what he had in mind, they weren’t happy, but it was the reason he became President. Enough of the people in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania heard the message to make the difference. The funny part for me is that I didn’t even know what he had done until after the election. Had I known, I would have held my nose and voted for him. I certainly plan to do it this fall.
 
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