It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns | Barking Hard

It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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I feel like his height is less of an issue than his ability TBH
drew brees was an unbelievable pocket QB who had every throw in the book. not tall.
lets just say "poor vision" for arguments sake. brees could drop a deep out in a 10 lt bucket from the 30.
baker is so limited thats hes predictable. If our run game or D falters? were going to lose those games.
baker is not going to lead 2 minute drill comebacks in the 4th.without the lead? were fu*ked.in so many words.
yes Its time to look for a 1st rd QB (to backup baker of course) this is not easy but it must be confronted.bakers not the guy.
sign him to a 5th year for as little as possible and slowly replace him in 22 with a mobile, athletic QB.

I do wonder what mac jones would have looked like in this OFF. If we draft a QB who can do as well as baker and run? that might be enough.
 
I'm not willing to cut him loose until we have a viable option not named Keenum. I'd rather get cut OBJ between the two of them and see what happens because while Baker is down at the moment I'm not convinced he can't be an OK QB.
 
I'll put this here too:


Wow! I feel for OBJ, and most of all ...us. With the right QB and offense, OBJ would have helped us to the Superbowl. Instead we are 4-4 and losing to has-beens.

So if I'm reading @TheBestPlayersPlay correctly, fire KS and move on from Baker? I get the frustration, it's a brutal watch. Starting over just seems like such a Browns thing to do.

Definitely Baker. He needs to sit now and heal either way. But next year, if we don't have the balls to trade for Rogers or Wilson, I would sign Fitzpatrick. Put Baker on a short leash, or sign and trade him. Stefanski, you see what we are going to get. An analytics driven, dink and dunk system ...if it works I'm fine with it. But we have a Superbowl roster, and it ain't working. I can't know though until I see a different QB under center.
 
He needs to sit now and heal either way
Yeah, that's a head-scratcher, I can not for the life of me understand why he was out there Sunday. People can confuse toughness with stubbornness. Not to mention he wasn't named the starter till Friday, who took first-team reps all week?

But next year, if we don't have the balls to trade for Rogers or Wilson
Big balls would be correct, however, the best way to move off of a fan-favorite player like Mayfield is to replace him with a superstar. Everyone forgot about Tebow in a hurry when Manning came to town. Not saying I want BM gone, those two mentioned would be interesting though.

But we have a Superbowl roster, and it ain't working.
It is not working, that's one thing everyone can agree on.

I can't know though until I see a different QB under center.
Not only a different QB but even a healthy Baker physically and mentally.
 
Baker is hurt and playing like shit. He can't throw the ball with any accuracy right now. But it's wrong to judge him based on his play since week 2. He did play pretty well against the Chargers, but you could tell he was struggling to throw the ball. Sit him down for the rest of the season and get his shoulder fixed. But the damage is done. The perpetual Baker haters have seized on one stint of a few bad games caused by Baker's terrible decision to try and make a tackle and they forget the great 2nd half of the season Baker had last year, and they forget how well he played in the opener, and are convinced the Baker we're seeing now (hurt Baker) is they way he has always played.

Last season: 26 TDs, 8 int, 95.9 Passer Rating.

Hurt Baker is a problem.

Healthy Baker is not a problem.

We do not have a "Super Bowl" roster. Our defense is not good.

Some Browns' fans are blind.
 
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