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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Word has it there has been high drama in the locker room of late, which some thought after witnessing that abortion of a football game on Sunday. Apparently lots of players are quietly telling certain people all the drama stems from one person ...your favorite QB. Some saying that's why Emily Mayfield had become so defensive of late and locked her Twitter account. Perhaps another humbling moment for Baker. He tends to perform well after being spanked by his elders.
 

I think that's fair. No question about it. OBJ didn't even start playing until after Baker got hurt, and Baker has not been good since he got hurt. Baker has missed him several times. None of that changes the FACT that Odell has dropped some very big passes that were right in his hands. Something has happened to him. He's not nearly as good as he was with the Giants, no matter who is at QB.
 
disagree
like many other players cleveland will trade him and he'll go on to make the probowl with another team.
hes only working with 59% of throws to him being catchable so his drops really stand out.
 
Word has it there has been high drama in the locker room of late, which some thought after witnessing that abortion of a football game on Sunday. Apparently lots of players are quietly telling certain people all the drama stems from one person ...your favorite QB. Some saying that's why Emily Mayfield had become so defensive of late and locked her Twitter account. Perhaps another humbling moment for Baker. He tends to perform well after being spanked by his elders.
Word has it?
What word? Who? When?
The suspense is killing me.
 
Find some sources, they are out there.

OBJ demanded a release. Browns brass working it out with him now. He will go on to a new team and be a top 10 WR. Could have been the piece that got our team to the promised land, but somebody's ego wouldn't allow it. If only he would have shown up to that get together when someone asked him to.

Well the good news is, Baker should play lights out on Sunday. This is becoming a cycle. Some national figure comes out and points out how mediocre Baker has been ....Baker decides to show up. Let's hope so.
 
baker will go off because he doesn't have a cancer in his ear now 24/7. wonder where he ends up with his all star skills, green bay? rams? tb? obviously hes so good every single SB contending team is looking to sign him
 
baker will go off because he doesn't have a cancer in his ear now 24/7. wonder where he ends up with his all star skills, green bay? rams? tb? obviously hes so good every single SB contending team is looking to sign him
If Baker or any QBs play is impacted by a WR in their ear about targets they are not long to be an NFL starter.

If CLE were to waive OBJ he first goes on the waiver wire. If no one picks him up he becomes a FA and CLE is on the hook for his salary.

Don't confuse teams not willing to trade assets (and pick up his salary) for him with lining up to sign him if he is available as a FA
 
He and Baker were never a match.
OBJ thinks he is better than he really is.

And Baker needs to grow a pair and tell receivers like that to stfu and play ball. There are enough passes to go around ona playoff football team.

Baker needs to tell a stat whore that the only stat that counts is the score.
 
If Baker or any QBs play is impacted by a WR in their ear about targets they are not long to be an NFL starter.

If CLE were to waive OBJ he first goes on the waiver wire. If no one picks him up he becomes a FA and CLE is on the hook for his salary.

Don't confuse teams not willing to trade assets (and pick up his salary) for him with lining up to sign him if he is available as a FA
we will see where this all shakes out, but that is what I am saying, we will see what SB contender picks him up. he has to go to a top team because he's so damn good right?
 
we will see where this all shakes out, but that is what I am saying, we will see what SB contender picks him up. he has to go to a top team because he's so damn good right?
Well if he is waived and clears waivers it could be any team he wants to join and is wiing to take the contract they offer. I'd certainly expect it to be a team contending for the playoffs
 
Anyone else feel if Keemun would have played last week, this wouldn’t be such a disaster.

I’m not calling for the backup, nor bashing Baker. However, had CK played win or lose it would be business as usual. No pressure. People understand injuries.

I’m confident a healthy CK is better then majority of injured restricted QBs in the league.

people confuse toughness with stubbornness all the time.
 
Isn’t it likely someone would take him on waivers? His contract is only a deterrent for the remainder of this year if I am correct. If he doesn’t produce, cutting him is relatively cheap or get something in a trade in offseason. Someone must have the cap space.
 
Teams in the hunt will be lining up to sign OBJ.


Anyone else feel if Keemun would have played last week, this wouldn’t be such

Wouldn't be this, but another sort of disaster. The one where we are saying ...damn why does our backup look better than our starter? There's a reason Baker doesn't want to sit ...and it ain't stubborn pride. It's fear. Keenum will show us exactly what is missing in this offense. I don't think Keenum is great either. He just throws a catchable ball, and can see the field.
 
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