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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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The biggest issue for me at this point is all the penalties. It's getting ridiculous already. KS, AVP and Woods have to get this under control. It stalls drives and prolongs them on D.

Except the roughing the pus uh...passer calls. McDowells hit was absolutely legal and I can live with those especially when it takes the QB out of his game which it did yesterday.

Baker had a rating of 132.6. Burrow 69.0.

Baker Mayfield Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 
The rest of the league has film on both Stefanski and Mayfield. This duo is finished. Who’s to blame for this debacle? That’s right. You guessed it. Haslam and his woke front office starting with Berry. This clown was overhyped from the getgo. Can someone post a pic of this guy and superimpose a clown nose and some clown hair on him?
 
We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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Local boy danced on our playoff graves. Ah, what could have been. The obvious choice for any Cleveland native. He let us know. I fucking hate the Haslams. McDaniels and Hoyer ...well deserved, well earned. You tried. We know you love Cleveland, and we can only helplessly watch as our team has been taken hostage by a coven of Tennessee hucksters. All we have to show for it is a QB the homeless guy drafted, Tennessee orange, and a Tennessee shaped scoreboard. Fuck these clowns.
 
Local boy danced on our playoff graves. Ah, what could have been. The obvious choice for any Cleveland native. He let us know. I fucking hate the Haslams. McDaniels and Hoyer ...well deserved, well earned. You tried. We know you love Cleveland, and we can only helplessly watch as our team has been taken hostage by a coven of Tennessee hucksters. All we have to show for it is a QB the homeless guy drafted, Tennessee orange, and a Tennessee shaped scoreboard. Fuck these clowns.
Uhhh the QB the homeless guy drafted was Johnny Fuckup!
 
we have our best team since kosar was here. credit where its due,they are doing their best to win IMO
the FO is not the problem. If baker was herbert? or jones? or hell even murray? we are contenders for a SB.
agent 86 - "missed by that much"
 
Local boy danced on our playoff graves. Ah, what could have been. The obvious choice for any Cleveland native. He let us know. I fucking hate the Haslams. McDaniels and Hoyer ...well deserved, well earned. You tried. We know you love Cleveland, and we can only helplessly watch as our team has been taken hostage by a coven of Tennessee hucksters. All we have to show for it is a QB the homeless guy drafted, Tennessee orange, and a Tennessee shaped scoreboard. Fuck these clowns.
You also wanted local boy Hoyer to be a starting QB. To this day no team in the NFL wants that, but I get the whole Cleveland connection thing.

Also to this day no other team wants McDaniel to be their HC, but I get the whole Cle thing.
 
You also wanted local boy Hoyer to be a starting QB. To this day no team in the NFL wants that, but I get the whole Cleveland connection thing.

Also to this day no other team wants McDaniel to be their HC, but I get the whole Cle thing.
At that moment in time vs Manziel I did, you are correct. And I was right ......again. As far as McDaniels goes, the reports were there was a list a mil long who wanted him, he was only interested in two teams. One of them was Cleveland.
 
we have our best team since kosar was here. credit where its due,they are doing their best to win IMO
the FO is not the problem. If baker was herbert? or jones? or hell even murray? we are contenders for a SB.
agent 86 - "missed by that much"
It's not just Baker. It's KS, Woods and partly due to injuries. Baker is a part of it, but not one guy is solely responsible. Oddly enough we can still win the division and make the playoffs.
 
At that moment in time vs Manziel I did, you are correct. And I was right ......again. As far as McDaniels goes, the reports were there was a list a mil long who wanted him, he was only interested in two teams. One of them was Cleveland.
Shiiit bro.

I'd say McDaniels' has a damn good agent to put that shit our there. But I'll play along. Even if true the, "mile long", list somehow fell short.

Hoyer is/was a career backup and the whole league knew that. Whatever point in his timeline you want to use. He is a career backup.
 
He is a career backup.

Just like Baker. In fact, I'll take Hoyer over Baker any day. At least before he got injured. He's a winner, especially against good teams. Baker is on the opposite end of the spectrum. Hoyer put on a clinic against our defense the other day.






Imagine a pre-injury Hoyer with the talent on this team. It would be wonderous! What Hoyer did with 1/20th of the talent that Baker has was nothing short of miraculous.
 
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And every GM in the NFL would gladly give Hoyer for Baker!

How many playoff wins does Hoyer have btw? Seriously not being a dick cause he might have one somewhere and I know Baker has at least one and I'm not a Hoyer disciple. And I damn well support the hometown kid Hoyer, but he's not a starter in the NFL anymore than Kaepernick.

Found this article that says according to Rappaport FK was hired over McDaniels. Which means it was Dorsey who showed McDaniels the door the second time and not AB.

 
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Hoyer is not a starter. You know that and so does he.

We're a running team. On 3rd and 2 with the OLine we have we should give the ball to the RB and get the 1st down. No BS sweeps. No empty backfield. Man up and do it. We do have a damn good FB in Janovich who can catch the ball. That would be the only legit fuckery to pull on 3rd and short. A quick hitter to the FB or a PA pass to Janovich off the edge. Trust our OLine to win at the LOS.
 
Really? You post a link to stats, and make a silly statement like that? The Hoyer that played for the Browns pre injury was destiny. A record breaker. An overcomer. A Leader. A winner. That dude would blow Baker out of the fucking water. He released the ball in a split second. Uncanny decision making. He was basically Jesus, turning water into wine.

Show us the Browns roster that Hoyer had, and let us know what Baker would have done with it.
 
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