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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Isn’t it likely someone would take him on waivers? His contract is only a deterrent for the remainder of this year if I am correct. If he doesn’t produce, cutting him is relatively cheap or get something in a trade in offseason. Someone must have the cap space.
Contending teams that might have had interest really didn't have cap space to take on OBJs current salary. At least not with other moves to cut some salary. Those teams were pretty much all up against the cap
 
I honestly don't think anyone wants his baggage after this epi
After his dad posted on Twitter a video that has been on YouTube for a couple weeks? And a video that shows him getting open over and over? A contender will sign him as soon as he hits the FA market. They got game film which shows he can still play at a high level. Those players always get jobs regardless of what real or not baggage that doesn’t involve criminal charges
 
Who’s decision was it to start Baker? Bakers? Or Stefanski’s? If it was Bakers, Stefanski has lost his nutz. If it was Stefanski’s, Baker is sucking KS nutz……
 
Now that the shiny object is gone, Baker and Stef will no longer be waiting for Odell to finally realize how important it was for him to be in the right place at the right time. Baker's problems and tendencies will still be there but, I believe Baker's chances of getting a new contract just went up a bunch.
 
Well TBPP, I can certainly see your point. The only thing in the air with your theory is the "Beat an Inferior Opponent" component of your cycle. I hope to see him continue to improve and break that cycle. We have games left this year, and doubt they move on before the end of next year. By then status of your theory/opinion will be carved into stone and we will all know. I am basing this post upon not all QB's come into their element in the first 3-5 years. And Bakers first few years are tainted by others.
 
I have generally been of the opinion that Baker is an above average NFL QB. Meaning he is a tick above a good backup journeyman QB. Is that good enough to take us to a Superbowl, with our roster I would say absolutely. Not with Joe Woods in tow though. But our roster is loaded with talent. All top 10 QBs in this league would likely have us marching towards a Superbowl.

I almost always agree with Cowherd, he just tells it like it is. We have theorized about OBJs influence on our apparently fragile QB ...but I hope Cowherd is right once again here. I could see it. Do I wish we had a Joe Burrows, a franchise QB that can work with a #1 WR who has an elite feel for when to adjust his route, and have the QB adjust with him? Yes, I do. But that's not who Baker is. He needs the WR to be where the play tells him to be, period. That's fine.

 
I have generally been of the opinion that Baker is an above average NFL QB. Meaning he is a tick above a good backup journeyman QB. Is that good enough to take us to a Superbowl, with our roster I would say absolutely. Not with Joe Woods in tow though. But our roster is loaded with talent. All top 10 QBs in this league would likely have us marching towards a Superbowl.

I almost always agree with Cowherd, he just tells it like it is. We have theorized about OBJs influence on our apparently fragile QB ...but I hope Cowherd is right once again here. I could see it. Do I wish we had a Joe Burrows, a franchise QB that can work with a #1 WR who has an elite feel for when to adjust his route, and have the QB adjust with him? Yes, I do. But that's not who Baker is. He needs the WR to be where the play tells him to be, period. That's fine.


With respect to Baker and his WR's that "adjust" routes some of that falls on KS. Some in the media have noted that OBJ does a lot of adjusting/freelancing and it throws off the timing of the play. I don't know how true it is and only the players and coaches know that. I said before AB Depo and KS know exactly what they have in Baker.

All we know for sure is that he has not been handed a huge contract yet.

I agree we can win with Baker. Where he falls compared to other QB's is debatable. He looked good against the vaunted bengals D though.
 
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