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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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To clear the air. I DON'T CARE about anyone's vaxxed status. Your call, your decision, no judgment from me either way.
we agree. your argument lost badly. so you cry "political posts" Its the subject you started which is slightly political,not my fault.
as long as its not red vs blue I think it passes as legitimate reasonable football conversation.
you say its not about liberty? but Its about a mans choice what he puts into his own body and the sharing of that information.
thats absolutely about personal liberty 100.
 
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Really? I didn’t know that. So he was considered not vaccinated by the NFL all along? That would make sense how they divvied up the fines.
Correct. He even tried to appeal for an exemption because he has an allergy to an incredient in two of the vaccines (on CDC site), and had reservations of the JJ (his reasoning on that is certainly questionable). He had an appeal hearing with he NFL, like other players for other exemption requests.

I understand the point of view about him thinking he is above teammates, and the same rules don't apply to him. The NFL locker room is a unique place. Many former players talk about this same type of thing. Every player knows, understands, and respects that rules aren't the same for every player. Especially for a star player, and a star player of Rodgers status (and a QB). That is as long as you are producing, and not totally fucking up the locker room.
 
so the NFL went after rodgers because it pissed them off he wouldn't "tow the line" and tout the vaccine's greatness on ESPN
and the whole corrupt media machine of the US kicked in right behind the NFL.
you had kimmel,colbert and whats his name from SnL just pissing all over the guy.why? he stood up to the "establishment" he made a choice
my point is dont trust media or public sentiment on this stuff. Its not fair to have this enormous juggernaut mobilised against one man.
an he was humble enough to apologise just in case people/team mates felt deceived in any way.people just love to hate him.
put yourself in his shoes for a minute. not fair.
 
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Correct. He even tried to appeal for an exemption because he has an allergy to an incredient in two of the vaccines (on CDC site), and had reservations of the JJ (his reasoning on that is certainly questionable).
Well that seems a bit more reasonable. I was confused with the punishment vs the crime when the NFL ruled. Tbh, I always thought he was a dick. Maybe I should lighten up.
 
Baker apparently didn’t do the presser after the game. I’m sure it’s not a big deal. But, add his wife’s comments and it compounds into a hot mess.

I will never understand defensive people, you won, off to the next. No need to blame others for anything.
 
There's no one in the draft that screams "Come get me"
Im afraid this is true
this could signal the beginning of the end of baker playing in cleveland
he got boo'd at home. Its going to get louder as our stumb'lin fumb'lin SB bound football team fights for .500

Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
Proverbs 16:18
 
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Im afraid this is true
this could signal the beginning of the end of baker playing in cleveland
he got boo'd at home. Its going to get louder as our stumb'lin fumb'lin SB bound football team fights for .500


Proverbs 16:18


Uhhh were above .500 for the time being.... LOL the kids banged up and everyone wants to run out of town.. Great... The fans don't deserve him... I hope he goes to another team.. beats us in the playoffs one day then wins a couple rings... The kid puts his ass on the line just to get shit on my ungrateful fans.. "If we really can call you that.. Like you and TBBP.. Good luck with the next Derek McFrye...
 
hey hey, broseph. I just said what happened. I didnt offer an opinion and dont consider myself a baker hater anyway.
I want him to play for the CB through 2022, however I do believe we have seen his ceiling and we need a B plan incase thats true.
one game above .500 and back to back ravens? come on man that dont deserve an LOL!
Im no nostrodumbass but I do see more booing in bakers future. am I crazy? come on man.look at the schedule.
I wouldnt be the one to "run him out of town" but his partner might take care of that for us like OBJ's daddy did.

the massive monster media machine is starting to take a real dislike to baker all across the US.
even his once were supporters are turning on him.will danny O follow suit? orlovsky prolly his staunchest ally in the media.
running down the team? when most are bigger, stronger and much tougher than doughy baker and his pampered mofo wife LOL
so shes angry with browns fandom because he got booed and went on the offensive via insta? really? what a fu&king moron.
BI^CH STFU! (sam jacksons voice)
this is bad for the browns. really bad.

 
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hey hey, broseph. I just said what happened. I didnt offer an opinion and dont consider myself a baker hater anyway.
I want him to play for the CB through 2022, however I do believe we have seen his ceiling and we need a B plan incase thats true.
one game above .500 and back to back ravens? come on man that dont deserve an LOL!
Im no nostrodumbass but I do see more booing in bakers future. am I crazy? come on man.look at the schedule.
I wouldnt be the one to "run him out of town" but his partner might take care of that for us like OBJ's daddy did.

the massive monster media machine is starting to take a real dislike to baker all across the US.
even his once were supporters are turning on him.will danny O follow suit? orlovsky prolly his staunchest ally in the media.
running down the team? when most are bigger, stronger and much tougher than doughy baker and his pampered mofo wife LOL
so shes angry with browns fandom because he got booed and went on the offensive via insta? really? what a fu&king moron.
BI^CH STFU! (sam jacksons voice)
this is bad for the browns. really bad.


This is why you don't listen to the outside noise and focus on the task at hand.. Yeah.. His ol'lady should shut it.. Agreed.. But you can't knock a woman for loving and supporting her man.. Although she couldve chose smarter words.. or been better off saying nothing... But you know how these young people are today... Too EMO for their own good...
 
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