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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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What exactly is the charge against Watson?

wasn’t to long ago he was getting baptized in a river somewhere lol
It's a very muddy situation. Watson's availability to play in the future is suspect.
This dates to the 2nd of this month:
 
What does being "woke" even mean at this point. It's actual definition and the definition people try to place on it are now very different. In either case it has absolutely nothing to do with any athletes ability to compete or be successful in their sport. Rodgers would fall under either definition based on his personal opinions he has been regularly sharing for over a year during his 30-40 minutes of interview time every week on the Part McAffee show .

I would take Rodgers as my teams QB any time. The "drama" around Rodgers has pretty much been media driven noise to have something to talk about. Year in and year out, and game in and game out he has delivered as a top flight QB. His teammates also all seem to rally around him, want to play with him, and deliver high end play for him.

I'd take Wilson. But only concern I have with him is that he seems to want to be the center of the offense with his passing, but when that has been done the results in the win column have not been there.
 
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I don't want Rodgers drama...
are you guys kidding me? the media have gone OTT with this rodgers thing. they simply ridiculed him for not wanting a vax.
I am double dosed but thats my personal choice. I dont feel like a young athlete like #12 really needs it TBH.
I hate aggressive antivaxers and pro-vaxers alike. just do whats right for yourself (like #12) and stop trying to influence others.

I would love some rodgers drama in cleveland! Its gotta be better than new HC drama or new rookie QB drama or losing season drama!
I dont think we should hang baker just yet either. we need another real option at QB even as a solid backup.
TBH we should have already drafted a QB last year when we had plenty to choose from.
ridder is my early sleeper pick but he would be a work in progress.we would draft him because of what he might become.not what he is.
at the moment he would fall to us at @16 without sacrificing any more picks.
ridder is a shotgun pocket QB with a high arcing touch throw to contrast with bakers skill set nicely.

 
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The drama that gives me reserve is lying and ignoring the NFL's protocol. That takes some big balls or he's incredibly self-centered. Either way, it was a bad look.
Not quite sure he"lied". Rather he answered a question in a way that allowed people to make incorrect assumptions. Also at a time where other players and QBs who said they weren't vaccinated were getting ripped by folks in the media. I don't think it's anyone in the media or general publics business to be asking or knowing about anyone's vaccination status. I also don't really give two rips if players are honest or dishonest with the media. But that's just my take on it. There is no right or wrong opinion on that.

As for ignoring the NFLs protocol, the only infraction was him not wearing a mask when at the press conferences. Which by his and others accounts have the players significantly distanced from the press, everyone in the press room masked, and requires everyone in the press who is in the press room to be vaccinated. So it is pretty silly. But what's comical is the NFL handling of it. They knew his vaccination status. They could have shut down that violation of the protocol long ago, but didn't.

To me it boils down to star treatment. Not just by GB (who also knew his status) but also by the league. There are different rules for different players. This isn't new in the NFL, other sports, or even the rest of life. In pro sports there are rules for the majority, and there are rules for the stars.
 
As for ignoring the NFLs protocol, the only infraction was him not wearing a mask when at the press conferences.
There are more, most obvious is the multiple tests that are needed from the un-vaxed.

I'm with you on it's not our business, but it sure is the NFL's and GB's business as that's their business. Ask GB how they liked paying the fine because their star QB wasn't honest with them.

I truly don't care, however, it does say a lot about his personality.
 
The drama that gives me reserve is lying and ignoring the NFL's protocol. That takes some big balls or he's incredibly self-centered. Either way, it was a bad look.
a bad look depends on your perspective. to you it looks bad.to me heres a guy who respects himself and his choices.
If he were vaxxed there is no story.Its all because he wasnt that drew ridicule.the media labelled him a liar but he
clearly said he was immunised not vaxxed. why do you (and others) care so much? are you concerned about his health?
I have more respect for #12 after this BS than I had before.exercising personal integrity always carries a price.

#1-he never lied
#2-now he has had covid its over
#3-the NFL has dealt with him under their rules and regulations

so whats your problem now?
bowing down to cancel culture and the court of public opinion Ignoring his rights says a lot about your personality

Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes made of ticky-tacky
Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes all the same
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same
 
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a bad look depends on your perspective.
To clear the air. I DON'T CARE about anyone's vaxxed status. Your call, your decision, no judgment from me either way.

so whats your problem now?

Rodgers knowingly broke rules others followed because he thought he was better than them. That is lying correct, saying/doing something that isn't true? That's my problem. Very small problem, I swear I won't lose sleep so maybe you shouldn't either. And if he was to become a Brown, awesome!
 
so,hes not allowed to think for himself either without others saying for him what he thought?
this society can take whatever it wishes from us.even our life. I love to see a strong individual stand up to it.
we love freedom? until you dont comply. COMPLY! COMPLY! COMPLY!
What the hell are you saying. I'm not talking about liberty and all that nonsense you're trying to sway. I'm saying he is a selfish prick that thinks he's better than other people and broke rules. Please stop conveying politics into everything.
 
There are more, most obvious is the multiple tests that are needed from the un-vaxed.

I'm with you on it's not our business, but it sure is the NFL's and GB's business as that's their business. Ask GB how they liked paying the fine because their star QB wasn't honest with them.

I truly don't care, however, it does say a lot about his personality.
Rodgers has been doing all of the testing and other requirements for non vaccinated players (sans a couple I will get to).

GB was fined for not making Rodgers wear a mask when doing the press conferences in person, and for not disciplining Rodgers and Lazzard for attending a team sanctioned Halloween party when they were unvaccinated. The press conference is laughable to me since the NFL knew Rodgers vaccination status. He had an appeal with them. That's the league covering it's butt to the public (and probably for insurance/legal reasons). At the end of the day the league and it's teams are private businesses. They can skirt their own protocols as they want to. Pretty sure their enforcement of their rules about covid protocols would make any difference in their TV ratings, attendance, advertising, and mech sale.

So you got Rodgers on the party, and apparently there was an instance or two where he had his mask off in the facility. To go with the press conferences.

To me all it says about Rodgers personality is that he is alright with exercising some of his star player status privileges. Nothing new for any star player in any pro sports. On the mild end of the spectrum. I'd recommend watching a good number of his Pat McAffee appearance. You get a much better glimpse in to his personality.
 
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