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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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You never answered my previous question.

Baker and new HC/OC or KS with new QB. Which scenario yields the best results?

I’m pretty sure I know your answer now that you have started with the nicknames.


I would like Baker to get healthy and Kevvy dump Joe Woods for starters... I mean were just gonna forget what Baker did last season and just shit on the kid?.. I think all of you are jumping ship just a hair too quick... But hey... Lets start over.. 0-16 part deaux on tap!.. And I never saw any question from you Keghead...

But theres my answer.. Don't like it?... You can fuck off too!
 
The Denver experiment went haywire. McDaniels thought he had the time to strip the entire team down and rebuild from scratch. That was also over a decade ago and he has had that decade to learn from those mistakes. I would say there is a reason over a dozen teams have vied for his services over the last decade.

If he is still willing I would throw the money at him and give him what he wants: A GM from the same system who is on the same page and see what happens. Especially with this current roster.

Kevin is a chump, straight up. He coaches soft and has this team playing soft. His DC is a fucking joke who should have been fired last year. Stefanski gameplanning is atrocious.

We need to stop hiring in over there head OC's to be HC and clueless fucking GM's who base their drafts and shit off of DePodestas laptop algorithms.
Naaahhh.

To say the Denver experiment went haywire and later say KS is a chump is BS.

If things are going bad for KS. They also went bad for McDaniels. More so for McDaniels since he can't get hired as a HC. It doesn't matter how many teams vied for his services cause they were more willing to pass on his services in the end. We are not alone in passing on him.

As far as this FO and AB and their draft record. It's pretty damn good. They drafted Newsome and JOK in round 1 and 2 respectively is as good as it gets. They also drafted Wills and Delpit 1 and 2 two years ago and resigned Hunt, Chubb and Teller. That is not an FO that doesn't know what they're doing.

Joe Woods is a question mark, but we could say the same for Alex VanPelt. Both coordinators haven't done anything special.
 
Naaahhh.

To say the Denver experiment went haywire and later say KS is a chump is BS.

If things are going bad for KS. They also went bad for McDaniels. More so for McDaniels since he can't get hired as a HC. It doesn't matter how many teams vied for his services cause they were more willing to pass on his services in the end. We are not alone in passing on him.

As far as this FO and AB and their draft record. It's pretty damn good. They drafted Newsome and JOK in round 1 and 2 respectively is as good as it gets. They also drafted Wills and Delpit 1 and 2 two years ago and resigned Hunt, Chubb and Teller. That is not an FO that doesn't know what they're doing.

Joe Woods is a question mark, but we could say the same for Alex VanPelt. Both coordinators haven't done anything special.


The one thing I've also been thinking about... is the QB room isnt all that great when you consider the coaching.. Keenum is what he is.. A journeymen backup..... like I said in another thread... even if we got DeShaun Watson... KS would find a way to neuter him...
 
It could be WR injuries if we consider OBJ missed the first few games and then left and then Jarvis is hurt and misses a few games. He's still not right.

I think the coaching is fine. Last year we all raved about how KS and AVP changed Baker's footwork and it was really successful late in the season. I don't think anything has changed other than Baker's injuries. He didn't practice today and the video I saw of him showed he was limping slightly and dragging his shoulder. Not good at all.

Myself? I'd trade Baker for Watson faster than a GM would trade Hoyer for Baker! :cool:
 
Naaahhh.

To say the Denver experiment went haywire and later say KS is a chump is BS.

If things are going bad for KS. They also went bad for McDaniels. More so for McDaniels since he can't get hired as a HC. It doesn't matter how many teams vied for his services cause they were more willing to pass on his services in the end. We are not alone in passing on him.

As far as this FO and AB and their draft record. It's pretty damn good. They drafted Newsome and JOK in round 1 and 2 respectively is as good as it gets. They also drafted Wills and Delpit 1 and 2 two years ago and resigned Hunt, Chubb and Teller. That is not an FO that doesn't know what they're doing.

Joe Woods is a question mark, but we could say the same for Alex VanPelt. Both coordinators haven't done anything special.
Pure revisionism. Over two dozen teams have requested to interview McDaniels. He turned down interviews with all of them except Cleveland. If he wanted a HC gig elsewhere he would easily, quickly have one. He wants to Cleveland or New England spot.

As for trying to defend this FO, they have had one winning season... With a roster built by Dorsey. So far SaShit 2.0's drafts have been mediocre and Wills is not only a wasted pick but trash that can't stay healthy and productive. Everytime we turn around fatboy is babying some injury. Stefanski is a pussy coaching this team to be soft and Woods is pure garbage. It is what it is.
 
Pure revisionism. Over two dozen teams have requested to interview McDaniels. He turned down interviews with all of them except Cleveland. If he wanted a HC gig elsewhere he would easily, quickly have one. He wants to Cleveland or New England spot.

As for trying to defend this FO, they have had one winning season... With a roster built by Dorsey. So far SaShit 2.0's drafts have been mediocre and Wills is not only a wasted pick but trash that can't stay healthy and productive. Everytime we turn around fatboy is babying some injury. Stefanski is a pussy coaching this team to be soft and Woods is pure garbage. It is what it is.
If he wasn’t so worried about having perfect hair I think he’d be a better coach. Stefanski is a clown. He has this team in touch with its feminine side for sure. Instead of treating them like men, he’s gone woke and it shows on the field. I had hope when Myles ripped the helmet off that steeler back up. It actually portrayed some mean and nasty. Now they’re all primping in front of the mirror on game day taking on a very feminine persona instead of acting like football players and using lockerroom talk before games. I’m sure they don’t want to offend the woke female coach who got hired because of gender politics.

Dorsey was is a man’s man and instilled some masculinity in this team. This team acts like a bunch of emasculated feminine woke pussys if you ask me.
 
Dorsey hired Freddie Kitchens. Don’t confuse masculinity with arrogant.

I will never understand why so many romanticize the past. Dorsey is with the lions, go be a Detroit fan if you miss him that much. They have a masculine HC too. The perfect storm. Oh wait, they are winless.
 
Dorsey hired Freddie Kitchens. Don’t confuse masculinity with arrogant.

I will never understand why so many romanticize the past. Dorsey is with the lions, go be a Detroit fan if you miss him that much. They have a masculine HC too. The perfect storm. Oh wait, they are winless.
Stating facts isn't "romanticizing the past."
 
Staying he’s masculine and strong is more of a man crush than facts.
Nope. Not at all. Now you are acting emasculated. Being a feminine man is not a born behavior. It is a learned behavior. It’s being and has been taught in our schools for some time now. And of course those without a father growing up. The Dorse if he was still here would have these men acting like men. It is not ok for a man to act like a girl. Especially football players. Those types should stick to badminton or croquette or something like that. Or maybe take pointers from Arthur Ash. 🏸
 
Pure revisionism. Over two dozen teams have requested to interview McDaniels. He turned down interviews with all of them except Cleveland. If he wanted a HC gig elsewhere he would easily, quickly have one. He wants to Cleveland or New England spot.

As for trying to defend this FO, they have had one winning season... With a roster built by Dorsey. So far SaShit 2.0's drafts have been mediocre and Wills is not only a wasted pick but trash that can't stay healthy and productive. Everytime we turn around fatboy is babying some injury. Stefanski is a pussy coaching this team to be soft and Woods is pure garbage. It is what it is.
Then why did he HC at Denver? Was there something over there that he signed with them?
 
Yep
The Dorse if he was still here would have these men acting like men.
He hired Freddie Kitchens

It is not ok for a man to act like a girl. Especially football players.
Says you, I don't give AF how they act, as long as they win.

Those types should stick to croquette
Making Dumplings? What's wrong with cooking, real men like yourself can't cook anymore?
 
"an ah, back to the subject at hand"

do we sign baker to a long term contract? I guess the obvious answer here is no,we wait and see what year 5 looks like.
how much will his 5th year cost us and (even If you're a believer) do we draft a 1st rd QB in the 2022 draft?
we still have a great team.with a fresh new QB and baker starting with a new DC? we could be contending for sure next year.

 
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