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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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For all of you HATERS of #6!
saw the vid. hmm Its interesting and it could be correct. drew brees was a late bloomer,could baker be one too?
so are we about to draft our phil rivers in 2022? you could even argue that baker thru his 1st 4 years is better than brees was.
we have him through 2022 anyway so he is going to play here. (unless the fans boo him out of the stadium before then.)
If we fall out of the hunt? he should just go have his surgery early and let case close out the season.
case is not a good QB.that would make browns fans pine for bakers return Id bet LOL.
meanwhile I will continue to complain about the OFF. doesnt mean I dont love em or want them around.like family.
 
Listen to the press conference. There is no question what he is saying. He doesn't need to spell it out for you. He is saying injuries are no excuse for Baker's play. He is putting Baker on blast and then goes on to say let's see how well they do the rest of the season, and that he expects them to play in the post season. He knows how well they will do. There will be no post season.

Comparing Baker to Brees is an absolute insult to the latter. They are both about the same height, nothing else is similar.
 
Comparing Baker to Brees is an absolute insult to the latter. They are both about the same height, nothing else is similar.
have you seen the vid? brees was not great in SD.endlessly compared to flutie
He is putting Baker on blast
disagree. I just heard it. bakers here through 2022 with or without a big deal.doesnt mean we dont draft a QB.
a GM being overly optimistic about his team? happens everyday. maybe a rookQB will put the fire under the arse?
one thing that could happen for him to leave is If he (or his partner) decides they want out.that could happen but It wouldnt be a good thing
for football in cleveland.
If this blew up on SM and baker walks? a return to the "dysfunctional browns"??? no thankyou
no,smart play here is we dance with the girl we came with,even If the bit&h keeps stomping on our toes.
we give him this year as a gap (tooth) year. let him heal his ego and body for a huge 2022,draft a rookie QB (burn a future #1,why not)
then in 2022 with an older and wiser baker (NO TACKLING) we take on the world! I know,Im disappoint too, onwards and upwards brownies!
 
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Baker is obviously here through 22, unless we trade him. Nobody is arguing that. But he ain't getting signed, unless it's bottom 10 money. Take that to the bank.


I don't give a shit about whatever video you are talking about. I lived through it. Brees was better in every way shape and form by year 3. Better on his feet, 1000x better vision, better leader, 1000x better at reading a defense. Please spare me. Brees came into the league with a sub par arm, and worked his ass off to get it stronger. Work ethic, another trait Brees kills Baker in.
 
I don't give a shit about whatever video you are talking about.
so,that would be no? LMFAO!
brees threw 15 INT's and 11 TD's in 2003 over 11 games playing hurt.1000x better? I dunno paco
jimmy G is someone who slipped my mind.now that would put a fire into training camp! why not.
Im not ready to die on "baker hill" just yet.like most baker fans arent ready to either
so really we are in agreement there playa. keep baker as starter,draft or trade for a QB2 to compete in camp and win the SB in 22
stay humble my friend




happy feet?




jimmy G!?

 
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I don’t quite understand what he’s getting at? Starts with Baker has a visibility issues then says the offense isn’t built to come back from a 14 point deficit. Also says, OBJ is not able to be in the right spot due to the offense so he was sent packing. Then blames the defense, then says well it’s belichick.

So let me get this straight, it’s everyone else's fault even though he says Baker has a visibility issue. I’d love to hear his opinion on the Ravens game. Who’s fault was that?

Im not a Baker hater nor a lover, just want competent accountable QB that can handle the good times and especially the bad.
 
lol What. Of course he was a HoF QB in SD. He is a HoF QB. It's not his fault they jettisoned him after 4 years. Even then everyone knew he was going to be very good. Chargers were in a very unique situation, and maybe they weren't sure how well he would come back from a majorish injury.

Baker has had 4 years and has all the same problems he had coming out of college. In fact I would say he's regressed. He has proven out some theories over time as well, like his horrid lack of ability to read a defense, or his very limited view of the field, or how he is only very good when rolling right. We have a limited window with a stacked roster. Very limited. If we can get a legit upgrade over Baker next year ...you do it. Even if some day by some miracle Baker becomes great. Highly doubtful. But he may put a great season together someday like a lot of journeymen do.
 
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brees played 58 games over 5 years for the chargers
he went 79 TD and 53 INT's
baker went 86 TD and 49 INT's in 57 games over 4 years
for me thats compelling
It shouldn't be. Stats are meaningless without context. Brees was drafted in 2001, and By 2004 he was a perennial pro bowler. Had he not had what the Chargers considered a career threatening injury, he would have never been allowed to leave. Baker played on gimmick offenses and often threw an incredible amount of passes per game which inflated his numbers. Now he plays on one of the most stacked offenses in Browns history, but he can't throw a TD to a WR, and is so bad he chased one of the greatest deep threats in the league off of our team.
 
It shouldn't be. Stats are meaningless without context. Brees was drafted in 2001, and By 2004 he was a perennial pro bowler. Had he not had what the Chargers considered a career threatening injury, he would have never been allowed to leave. Baker played on gimmick offenses and often threw an incredible amount of passes per game which inflated his numbers. Now he plays on one of the most stacked offenses in Browns history, but he can't throw a TD to a WR, and is so bad he chased one of the greatest deep threats in the league off of our team.


Stackked?... Outside of Landry.. our pass catchers blow... Jesus.. You are DUMB!
 
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