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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Stackked?... Outside of Landry.. our pass catchers blow... Jesus.. You are DUMB!
You shouldn't call Jesus dumb. You however are an idiot.

Yes stacked. Before Baker chased off OBJ we had two pro bowl WRs, along with a very promising young WR. A pro bowl TE. 4 pro bowl OL. 2 pro bowl RBs. If you don't call that stacked you are the world's most worthless dullard. The fact that our bottom 5 QB is making them all look worse doesn't take away what we have. It's simply being wasted.
 
By 2004 he was a perennial pro bowler. Had he not had what the Chargers considered a career threatening injury,
he played in 1 probowl at SD. I just showed you his entire SD stats. they are almost identical to bakers. LOL
the injury was a torn right labrum BTW bakers is the left. baker hasnt been good,nobody is arguing that.
Im saying he may well improve with time to recover and develop.hes here anyway so suckitup playa.
Had he not had what the Chargers considered a career threatening injury, he would have never been allowed to leave
so brees is a perennial probowler and bakers a bum with identical stats? how do you square that?
If we dont acquire a 2nd option at QB in the off? that would really upset me TBH.

 
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Again, Brees was drafted in 2001 and was a probowl player by 2004. He got better every year, had a far worse roster than we do, and was a bonafide star. They ran different offenses. Please don't be a stat dunce.

Baker won't get better. He is who he is. He needs the right coach and the perfect offense to reach his Pinnacle. Josh McDaniels likely would have been that guy for him. But he isn't, and he won't be because the Haslams are trash.
 
brees played 58 games over 5 years for the chargers
he went 79 TD and 53 INT's
baker went 86 TD and 49 INT's in 57 games over 4 years
Please don't be a stat dunce.
Stats are meaningless without context
so brees is a perennial probowler and bakers a bum with identical stats? how do you square that?
He got better every year,
he didnt.all this coming from the guy who said drew played in SD for 2 years?
 
Bakers days are numbered. Book it! Career backup. I’ve seen him compared to Brees. I compare him to his backup! He blows and everyone knows it. His comment on the fans proves his entitlement attitude. Maybe he can get lechina james to come down and get the fans who boo him ejected from the stadium.
 
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he didnt.all this coming from the guy who said drew played in SD for 2 years?
I do most of my posting on my phone. Also most of my takes from memory. Could have been a typo, could have been a mistake. (I corrected it as soon as I saw it, but you grasp hard there dude) Unlike you, I don't go to Google for my intelligence. Attempting to compare Brees to Baker makes you a clown. It's an embarrassment. Baker lacks basic traits that Brees was elite at. These are innate skills ...what is it you fail to grasp?
 
yawn..weve already had this conversation,I thought we had basically agreed.
Baker lacks basic traits
yes,I think we can all safely agree that you dont like baker as our QB.or anyones QB.or anyones QB coach.or any job with QB in it.
I don't go to Google for my intelligence.
you should LOL! I mean before you go leaping into an argument feet 1st before knowing what it is you're even talking about.

all I'm, saying is..lets stay the execution for another season? one more year with a fit healthy BM and lets see what the kids got
I just hope all your maniac buddies dont boo him out of the stadium next game! or he might just blow this whole thing up early
we burn our 2023 #1 pick,move up 5-7 spots to @13 and pray matt corral falls to us @there. kenny pickett is a good plan B.
so baker will be pissed (well,hes already pissed) fit and spewin we drafted a rd 1 QB. who knows? stranger things have happened.
If he wants to be a kabillionaire, theres his ticket.
there agreed.

 
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Yawn? You are the one who keeps responding with the same takes over and over and over again. A take nobody was ever even arguing. We all know he is here for 22. Unless he gets traded.

Maniac buddies? Booing him out of the stadium? Sorry pal, that's not the way it works. He either plays like a franchise QB, or he doesn't. If we can upgrade, we do it. And we certainly don't sign him for 35 million a year, which he already rejected. This isn't hard, but feel free to respond for the 10th time that he will be here in 22.

Hey, don't forget he will be here in 22.

No need to waste a round 1 pick on a weak QB class. There are other upgrades available via trade or FA.
 
Hey, don't forget he will be here in 22.
I didnt say that in my last post at all. LOL what are you ranting about?
Maniac buddies? Booing him out of the stadium? Sorry pal, that's not the way it works.
good lord, are you a heart surgeon? so serious :censored:
No need to waste a round 1 pick on a weak QB class. There are other upgrades available via trade or FA.
you could be right but its a crap shoot anyway. looks like young wilson is a bust
 
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I'll argue with the Piggly Wiggly bag boy, sure. Warner put together 3 good seasons in his entire career and was carried to 1 good SB. In each of those 3 seasons his HC's had to stack the Offense with Probowlers at every position and give Warner two Probowl #1 WR's in order for someone to be able to make the circus catches he would throw. The most overrated QB in NFL history. Trusting his opinion on QB's is about like trusting Trent Dilfers.
 
I'll argue with the Piggly Wiggly bag boy, sure. Warner put together 3 good seasons in his entire career and was carried to 1 good SB. In each of those 3 seasons his HC's had to stack the Offense with Probowlers at every position and give Warner two Probowl #1 WR's in order for someone to be able to make the circus catches he would throw. The most overrated QB in NFL history. Trusting his opinion on QB's is about like trusting Trent Dilfers.
And we see you waited a whole year to come back just to be a pissy negative nancy.. You are worse than a BROAD!
 
Lol... So lets go back to trying 20 QB's every year... You people suck!... No wonder why we can't have nice things... I bet none of you are oh so perfect at your jobs 24/7 ... But then... You people don't deserve nice things... Your all wishy washy as they come... Kick a man while he's down... That's the ticket for you people.. ungrateful to the core... It must suck to be you... All the kid has ever done is put his ass on line .. Get his ass kicked and come back for more... None of you imbeciles even look at the big picture... Because you're all so caught up in the now... That same short term sightedness has killed a lot of once proud businesses.. Typical shit Anti-American attitude... Enjoy losing for another 20 years.. Morons...
 
Lol... So lets go back to trying 20 QB's every year... You people suck!... No wonder why we can't have nice things... I bet none of you are oh so perfect at your jobs 24/7 ... But then... You people don't deserve nice things... Your all wishy washy as they come... Kick a man while he's down... That's the ticket for you people.. ungrateful to the core... It must suck to be you... All the kid has ever done is put his ass on line .. Get his ass kicked and come back for more... None of you imbeciles even look at the big picture... Because you're all so caught up in the now... That same short term sightedness has killed a lot of once proud businesses.. Typical shit Anti-American attitude... Enjoy losing for another 20 years.. Morons...
Mayfield is a bottom tier qb and Stefanski is a bottom tier coach. News flash, until these 2 are gone, this team will continue feeding on the bottom
 
Lol... So lets go back to trying 20 QB's every year...
To be fair I don’t believe I remember a year they went through 20 QBs. Haha!

I do however agree with you. Blowing everything up two years in is a bit drastic. Especially with what this crew and the entire globe is facing. Pile on incredibly impactful injuries only muddies the water. Once again, not defending anyone, just trying to stay calm.

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