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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Free pass? Are you obtuse? Have you watched the defense and/or special teams? Have you watched the 4 dropped TD passes in the last 2 games? An elite QB can only do so much and can't overcome a complete mess.
If you think Watson has been playing at an elite NFL QB level, you're a complete fanboy. We were scoring more with Brissett at QB.
 
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An elite QB
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I was told this guy was SUPAFRY a top 3 talent in the NFL.a hybrid vick/manning super dual threat
thats what YOU CLOWNS were raving about before he came.I was so excited...all hype Im afraid.
right now?Im watching baker fu&king mayfield playing like an all pro and I feel physically ill.
look at the stats.WTF is he waiting for to explode in electricity? a jumpstart?
 
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It's dumbassery to do anything but give Watson the rest of this season and next. To complain or have any other hope is wasted effort. He's not going anywhere soon.

Watson didn't drop 3 TD passes in the endzone last game in a -20 windchill. Coop, Njoku, and DPJ did.

Give him more than 3 game run. There is no significant extrapolation to be made. Just like you can't take his best drive with us and turn it into a season long projection, nor can you take the worst.

Remember, half the league inquired about him. The other half was happy with their starter.
 
Again? Do you even read your posts before you hit send? Or read the posts you are responding to? I'm genuinely curious because it doesn't seem that way.
Talk about an ignorant post. Answer my question. Do you think Watson has been performing like an elite NFL QB here in Cleveland? "An elite QB can only do so much and can't overcome a complete mess." That's what you said. We scored 0 offensive TDs against Houston. We scored 1 offensive TD against New Orleans. Though it's true Watson led a good drive on our last possession and had some bad luck (Cooper slipping and Njoku dropping a pass, but the Peoples-Jones play was a really tough catch to make), but every other drive, Watson was not good or accurate at all. And I'm not saying Watson is not going to be great, eventually. But right now, so far, in 4 games, he has not looked anything like a top 5 NFL QB. And if you think he has, you're nothing but a fanboy who knows nothing about what good QB play looks like.
 
Project those 4 games into a 16 games season? You can't be serious...or that stupid. Can you?
Watson has a long way to go. Too long in my opinion. He should be better than he's played so far. I refuse to give him credit for a few good plays. He's supposedly a top 5 NFL QB. This week will be game 5. He needs to show us what we're paying him the big bucks for. No excuses.
 
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Watson didn't drop 3 TD passes in the endzone last game in a -20 windchill. Coop, Njoku, and DPJ did.
I don't think it's that simple. Watson clearly looked better on the last drive of the game. But Cooper slipped or he catches that ball. The pass to DPJ was a good ball, no doubt, but that would have been one hell of a catch. Njoku's was the only one that was clearly a drop.
 
Talk about an ignorant post. Answer my question. Do you think Watson has been performing like an elite NFL QB here in Cleveland? "An elite QB can only do so much and can't overcome a complete mess." That's what you said. We scored 0 offensive TDs against Houston. We scored 1 offensive TD against New Orleans. Though it's true Watson led a good drive on our last possession and had some bad luck (Cooper slipping and Njoku dropping a pass, but the Peoples-Jones play was a really tough catch to make), but every other drive, Watson was not good or accurate at all. And I'm not saying Watson is not going to be great, eventually. But right now, so far, in 4 games, he has not looked anything like a top 5 NFL QB. And if you think he has, you're nothing but a fanboy who knows nothing about what good QB play looks like.

Nobody with a functioning brain expected Watson to come in and be elite after a 700+ day layoff and then playing in the weather conditions that he has played in. Nobody with a functioning brain is also blaming Watson for his WR's dropping 4 TD's in 2 games...but idiots are citing stats like, "We OnLy ScOrEd 1 oFfEnSiVe Td Vs _______". That type of idiotic statement shows zero depth, nuance or ability to use critical thought. It also ignores Watson's week-to-week progression and the fact that he has looked like a very good QB as the game have gone on.
 
I don't think it's that simple. Watson clearly looked better on the last drive of the game. But Cooper slipped or he catches that ball. The pass to DPJ was a good ball, no doubt, but that would have been one hell of a catch. Njoku's was the only one that was clearly a drop.

The pass to DPJ was in his hands an nothing more than a normal catch that every good WR in the NFL makes on a regular basis. All 3 were clear objective drops that should have been made.
 
Watson has a long way to go. Too long in my opinion. He should be better than he's played so far. I refuse to give him credit for a few good plays. He's supposedly a top 5 NFL QB. This week will be game 5. He needs to show us what we're paying him the big bucks for. No excuses.

You should stop watching football...or at least attempting to evaluate it because those post shows you are clueless.
 
You should stop watching football.
you are clueless.
Nobody with a functioning brain is also blaming Watson
That type of idiotic statement shows zero depth, nuance or ability to use critical thought.
Again? Do you even read your posts
You can't be serious...or that stupid. Can you?
It doesn't matter if you have watched football for 100 years. Longevity doesn't equate to understanding or intelligence.
those projected figures freaking you out? lets just use the "elite" stats we have then
2TD,3INT,703 yards.37.3QBR over 4 NFL starts.
why so full of aggression and insults?we are just pointing out how he is playing now.not well.
what a nasty fellow, but you know when the brain cant cope? the penis takes over the body.
for someone who admires intelligence you dont come across particularly smart LOL
 
Nobody with a functioning brain expected Watson to come in and be elite after a 700+ day layoff and then playing in the weather conditions that he has played in. Nobody with a functioning brain is also blaming Watson for his WR's dropping 4 TD's in 2 games...but idiots are citing stats like, "We OnLy ScOrEd 1 oFfEnSiVe Td Vs _______". That type of idiotic statement shows zero depth, nuance or ability to use critical thought. It also ignores Watson's week-to-week progression and the fact that he has looked like a very good QB as the game have gone on.

He looked like a good NFL QB for one drive against the Saints.
 
those projected figures freaking you out? lets just use the "elite" stats we have then
2TD,3INT,703 yards.37.3QBR over 4 NFL starts.
why so full of aggression and insults?we are just pointing out how he is playing now.not well.
what a nasty fellow, but you know when the brain cant cope? the penis takes over the body.
for someone who admires intelligence you dont come across particularly smart LOL
If one is using box score stats as the sole evaluation of a QB one should stop trying to evaluate QBs.
 
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