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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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what? thats not a crazy deal at all? besides its vegas right? maybe they feel lucky?
that would be attractive AF for vegas I would have thought,davante has said he wants out If carrs out.this OFF struggles when it matters around the red zone.a gadget guy like malik should be a
draft target for us regardless.look at the tape.kid is electric.incredible.my #1 sleeper for '23.

raiders pick
8: R1 P08 DL Jalen Carter - Georgia
browns picks
42: R2 P11 LB Jack Campbell - Iowa
99: R3 P36 C Steve Avila - TCU
113: R4 P11 G Andrew Vorhees - USC
132: R4 P30 LB Nick Herbig - Wisconsin
142: R5 P7 EDGE Isaiah Land - Florida A&M
146: R5 P11 WR Malik Knowles - Kansas State
186: R6 P11 S Brandon Joseph - Notre Dame
226: R7 P11 QB Malik Cunningham - Louisville

Defence 3-4 new coach
DT-carter(R)(NT),winfrey,elliott
DE-MG,clowney,thomas,land
LB-JOK,campbell,taki,herbig
SS-delpit,joseph
FS-JJ3
CB-ward,newsome,emerson

OFF
QB-carr,cunningham
HB-chubb,hunt
TE-njoku,bryant
WR-adams,cooper,DPJ,bell,knowles
C-avila,harris
G-bitonio,teller,vorhees
OT-wills,conklin



 
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thats not a crazy deal at all?

So, the Browns front office went all-in on Watson. Financially, took the rep hit, traded draft picks. In fact, there is nothing they could have done to be "more" all-in.

And so, bail out now? It's just not gonna happen. Watson is 2-2, with one loss vs last year's AFC champs, and another where he had 3 TD drops in -20 degree windchill weather.

It's just wayyy to reactionary to give up on him, and no way it's gonna happen.
 
as usual its hard to disagree with you.
could we even move him? would his new team assume the deal lock,stock?
but look at that "fantasy" team though LOL we could win it all (not a carr fan TBH)
that jack campbell is special.looks like another jack who wore #58 to me.
should be our 2nd rd pick regardless IMO.
 
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as usual,you're an idiot.I use eyeballs mostly and ya boy is a massive fail.no where near.
I dont need projected stats to tell you watson SUX! ITS NO SECRET THE WORLD AGREES LOL!
do you gotta tv paco?
we should have signed BROCK PURDY
over 4 games 8TD,2INT 846 yards 67% comp,QBR 67
LMFAO

If you are using your eyeballs, along with your brain and coming up with that you should stay with just enjoying the flashing images on the TV.

You are completely discounting the time away from playing and practicing, the weather conditions in half those games, the dropped tds, and still circling back to the box score numbers. You have also clearly not really watched the 49ers.

If you have eyeballs which work and a brain that works you can see the elite level traits coming back week after week. But your posts and the incoherent writing of them obviously explains the using the brain part
 
as usual,you're an idiot
Watson has a no trade clause.
so what? you think he wants to be here.the kid is unprepared.simple he is unprepared AT BEST.
yeah he has a no trade clause and the biggest contract he could get 100% LOCKED IN.
now If he forces a trade he chooses where he goes AND has the MAX contract to take with him ala pippen.
very clever.now all he has to do is tank and blame it on cleveland."now trade me home to hotlanta"
 
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If one is using box score stats as the sole evaluation of a QB one should stop trying to evaluate QBs.
Be honest. Watson has shown flashes of his talent. But he had a full camp and pre-season and should know this offense like the back of his hand. Game 1, rusty as hell, to be expected. Since then, he has disappointed overall as far as I'm concerned. This will be game 5, so can we all agree the rust excuse should be over? You're perfectly happy with how he has played through 4 full games?
 
Just curious. If Watson is finished. If he's lost it physically and emotionally. If he's just no darn good then how do you expect to get 1 or 2 1st round picks in a trade? That price is usually reserved for, dare I say, elite talents??
maybe we can still trick them? hell they must be smarter than you clowns who think the kid is the
best thing since biscuits and gravy. if he comes out and has 1 game 300+ and 2-3 TD's
Ill admit he has potential.POTENTIAL? we payed for a peyton type talent here!this guy has shown zero.
ZERO! any other HOF calibre QB would be competing by now.fighting.I dont see it.show me.
this is cleveland show us some DAWG!

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I don't think it's that simple. Watson clearly looked better on the last drive of the game. But Cooper slipped or he catches that ball. The pass to DPJ was a good ball, no doubt, but that would have been one hell of a catch. Njoku's was the only one that was clearly a drop.



Imagine thinking a perfect ball that hits a WR square in the hands would be 'one hell of a catch'...then claiming you know football because you watched it for 64 years.

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Imagine thinking a perfect ball that hits a WR square in the hands would be 'one hell of a catch'...then claiming you know football because you watched it for 64 years.

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Interesting you defend Watson's poor play (for most of the game) and attribute it to bad weather, yet you ignore the weather factor on DPJ's missed ball. In those conditions, that would have been a hell of a catch. But I have given Watson credit for a good throw. It wouldn't have won the game.
 
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