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NFL Draft The number 2 overall pick

I think the only real solution that makes sense, as has been said by many, is to keep swinging until you hit it.

Instead of trading for Watson, we should have kept using picks on QBs. If Baker ultimately wasn't our future, then keep putting quality picks behind him to push him. Probably could have traded him for draft capital, or any of his backups, if he bounced back after that 2021 campaign/injury.

Now we're 3 seasons past that, and again looking as inept as any other team in the league. Dumb.

Keep picking QBs, build the room, improve the culture. Stop trying to get cute, and continue working on the foundation in Cleveland.
 
nickers said:
No I'm just saying the QB doesn't have to be a 1st round pick to be great.. How many of them turn out to be great or win SB's?... How many has Kyler Murray or Dan Marino won?... Remember Jay Cutler?... Jamarcus Russell..?
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I'm glad you asked 25 Super Bowl winners (some have won multiple Super Bowls) have been 1st round draft picks.

Of those 25, 16 have been drafted Top 10.

The point, being drafted in the 1st round increases the chances of being successful.
 
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where you find your franchise QB, as long as you find one. Best bet is an early 1st round draft pick. But clearly, that's not the only way, but every other way involves a massive amount of luck, which we in Cleveland are short of.

We had one in the making with Baker, but the Browns are like children and have no sense of patience. Unfortunately, if we pick Sanders at #2 and he doesn't play like Jayden Daniels in year 1, we'll probably give up on him and make some other stupid trade.
 
I think we should take either Ward or Sanders. To me, the decision is not close.

Carter and Hunter, the prospects most deem as the BPAs, do not fill a need. We already have an elite Edge & CB (Garrett, Ward). We have an emerging WR core led by a resurgent Jerry Jeudy.

I am not saying it wouldn't be incredible to have either. I'm saying it would be absurd. I love a nice ride, but if it meant I'm still living in the basement, I'd pass.

Ward/Sanders would be top 10 selections in any Draft, including last year's. We are talking multi-year Power 5 starters with good-to-great traits and no injury history. It doesn't get more clear cut than that. Any other decision is a practice in overthinking.
 
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Exactly. Get the QB. Don't get smart, cute, shit the bed or overthink this. We need a QB. We'd like a far better option in this draft where we're at, but the QB thing is holding this team back.

This all changes if they pull a solid vet QB out of their ass in FA or trade, but it's all about the QB. All the upcoming acquisitions should be about a QB. Even QB's. They said it themselves they want a new QB room. Do it.
 
I'm kind of moving away from a bridge QB. We need to develop a franchise QB. Both Sanders and Howard should be ready to start day 1. So take Sanders if he's there and roll with him. If he's not there, move up and take Howard in the late 2nd and roll with him. Take our lumps with the rookie QB and build on the team in the next draft. If we take Sanders, give him 4 years to develop before we give up on him. Howard gets 3 years. We need stability and competence at QB. If we go Ward or Milroe, then we will need a bridge QB.
 
Martin Eden said:
I'm kind of moving away from a bridge QB.
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I completely agree. Where we are right now is where you find your answer at QB. Anything else is pure prayer. For every Brady, there are countless DTRs. For every Brees, there are countless Culpeppers.

I'm not even looking beyond the top 2. I agree Sanders is more ready-to-go. I could easily see him having a Matt Ryan '08 or Bo Nix '24 campaign.

Ward has the tantalizing playground potential, more muted after the last 2 next Mahomeses (Z. Wilson, C. Williams). Probably does need the bridge, but if you're in the give us the best chance for top 5, it's Ward

This regime would probably prefer Sanders because they need to win now to save their jobs. I would probably prefer Sanders because I've grown risk averse with the Browns. But Ward is fine too.
 
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Martin Eden said:
I'm kind of moving away from a bridge QB. We need to develop a franchise QB. Both Sanders and Howard should be ready to start day 1. So take Sanders if he's there and roll with him. If he's not there, move up and take Howard in the late 2nd and roll with him. Take our lumps with the rookie QB and build on the team in the next draft. If we take Sanders, give him 4 years to develop before we give up on him. Howard gets 3 years. We need stability and competence at QB. If we go Ward or Milroe, then we will need a bridge QB.
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The bridge QB would be an acknowledgement that they don't see a QB worthy of being drafted high in rd 1 and that whoever the QB is that they pick will not be ready to start.
 
The_QCT said:
Ward isn’t special. Yeah, he’s talented, but “special” isn’t the word anyone who actually knows football would use to describe him. He wasn’t even a Top 2 QB in the ACC this year.

Here’s the thing: over the past three draft classes, the average Weighted On-Target Percentage (WOT%) is 64.97%. For first-rounders, it’s 67.25%.

Ward? He’s sitting at 61.21%—way below both. Sanders WOT% is 73.26

And this matters. Accuracy and ball placement aren’t just stats; they’re what separate good QBs from busts in the NFL. Look at Jayden Daniels—he had the highest WOT% (76.13%) in last year’s draft by almost 4%. That accuracy translated immediately for him.

Ward has a big arm, sure. But his accuracy? It’s below average. And historically, QBs with shaky accuracy don’t pan out. Arm strength might get all the hype, but in the NFL, it’s all about ball placement—and Ward just doesn’t have it.

Sanders has an above-average arm, can make all the necessary throws, and pairs that with elite ball placement and accuracy. He’s got above-average wheels, better ball security, and is way ahead of Ward when it comes to processing and intelligence.

It’s not just about physical tools—Sanders brings a complete package to the table. His ability to read defenses, make smart decisions, and execute at a high level sets him apart. Ward might flash arm talent, but Sanders is the guy who checks all the boxes you need in an NFL-ready quarterback.
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If true, he will surely go #1.

Watching his dad last night on some terrible comedy show ....easy guy to like, and he certainly knows how to talk up his son. Can't imagine he would want him anywhere near the baseball guy's football experiment.
 
The_QCT said:
Who cares what Daddy wants—you take Shedeur Sanders at #2 regardless.

From there, you have two winning options:

1. Call their bluff and draft the most NFL-ready QB in the draft.

If we keep him, you’ve got the quarterback to build around for the next decade.

2. Leverage Sanders for a blockbuster trade.

Make it clear to teams like the Giants or Raiders that Sanders is on the table, and if they want him, it’s going to cost a lot. You’re starting the conversation at three first-round picks, plus their second- and third-round picks this year, minimum. Let them know they’ll be mortgaging their future drafts if they want to move up for him.
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Not sure why you would think his value would suddenly go up because we drafted him? If anything, his value would go down because other teams would know he was demanding out.

They would be willing to trade the same amount for the draft pick itself if they want him that badly. And if any team is offering all that, we had better jump at it because our record is not going to be good next season, and we will be in position to move up and grab a stud with all that ammo and none of the drama.
 
jaydog said:
The bridge QB would be an acknowledgement that they don't see a QB worthy of being drafted high in rd 1
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Tell that to the Chiefs who had sit this loser Mahomes behind some bum named Smith. Or what about those pathetic Patriots who drafted some kid 3rd and had the audacity to sit him half a season behind a brisket.

I actually think Drake Maye is a good example of how we should handle and hope to see similar play level if we draft Cam Ward.
 
TheBestPlayersPlay said:
Not sure why you would think his value would suddenly go up because we drafted him? If anything, his value would go down because other teams would know he was demanding out.

They would be willing to trade the same amount for the draft pick itself if they want him that badly. And if any team is offering all that, we had better jump at it because our record is not going to be good next season, and we will be in position to move up and grab a stud with all that ammo and none of the drama.
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Once you draft him and make it known you are OK keeping him, the scenario is different than a team knowing you HAVE to trade the pick. There is a completely different power dynamic.
 
MKO3090 said:
Tell that to the Chiefs who had sit this loser Mahomes behind some bum named Smith. Or what about those pathetic Patriots who drafted some kid 3rd and had the audacity to sit him half a season behind a brisket.

I actually think Drake Maye is a good example of how we should handle and hope to see similar play level if we draft Cam Ward.
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Ward isn't ready to play immediately. The only QB who is NFL ready is Sanders. The raw tools are there, but Ward needs a lot of mechanical clean-up and work on ball placement. I would be fine taking Ward if Sanders is already gone simply for his upside. But it's a longer road to success with him.

My QB List:
1. Sanders
2. Ward
3. McCord
4. They all stink
 
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