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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Allbright reporting Watson isn't interested in the Browns, and has even said he will donate $1000 to charity if he's wrong - he's that strong in his conviction.

He's been a little weird, however. First he reported the Browns were not all in. Then he reported Watson didn't want the Browns. Then he spent hours fighting with Browns fans, specifically - some of whom rightfully were questioning the discrepancy. Basically, he's claiming Watson will never play for the Browns but is using the Browns to leverage other teams to sign 'his' guys, like Will Fuller.

That reporting seems kind of weird. Would he really need the Browns to leverage a Will Fuller signing? I find it hard to believe a team is going to sell the farm for Watson but refuse to sign his favourite WR to a small deal.

I'd believe he doesn't want to be in the AFC because it's by far the more competitive division. I'd believe he didn't want the Browns because he's got a chip on his shoulder that the Browns passed on him at 12. I don't believe a player would turn down joining a pretty damn loaded team because it's cold in the last few weeks of the season.

I don't know. He very clearly has full confidence he's right. I just have no idea why he'd have that information.

What we know is the Browns have a meeting, and I assume will have at least some possibility to blow Watson away.

My bias is clear - but if the Browns pitch:

- This crazy good OL.
- This top five ground attack.
- This top 10 defence.
- A WR unit of Amari Cooper, potentially Allen Robinson and a willingness to go get Fuller.
- A 2020 coach of the year and one of the most respected young GMs in the league, with a front office making really strong moves

But Watson turns it down for Carolina or New Orleans, both of which are far worse situations, because it's cold in the final month of the season?

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This Front Office is a fucking joke. Well guess what Andrew, you can't just turn around and go back to Baker after this meeting if you are unable to secure a trade for the serial rapist. Browns are about to yet again be without any QB to helm the ship and no Rodgers or Wilson to trade for now. Goddamn Sashi 2.0 is a fucking idiot and as useless as it gets.
 
Sh*t. First time stopping in here for a long ass time. Why do I feel like the Browns are about to detonate a major bomb and set back the franchise a few years? Watson is a lottery ticket w/ baggage. If he uses his no trade clause, it doesn't matter what we offer. This could blow up majorly and leave us without a legit QB in the cockpit for this season. From playoffs to pulling for CJ Stroud/Bryce Young.

(And no I'm not a Baker bro)
 
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While I would agree the relationship with Mayfield is not looking great right now, this is the NFL and he has to wear big boy pants.

Your team is always looking to replace you. To find a younger, cheaper or better version of you.

Watson is a proven NFL quarterback who is in the prime of his career. The Browns would be insane to not explore the option while Baker has yet to prove himself.

If the deal doesn't pan out, Baker needs to get back to work. It isn't personal. No player is bigger than the franchise. We've seen stars come and go. It's him who is fighting to stay in the show. They all are. And there is no shortage of other guys putting up that same fight.
 
are u two twins? stop freaking out.bakers a big boy he doesnt need you panicking on his behalf.
no player will ever stop a GM going after talent or they may as well quit. Im starting to think just give him whatever..we need to win now.mama pack yo thangs you're movinn to texas!
 
No doubt Watson is the better QB. The potential suspension, cost in draft/player capital, and question re: arm strength/cold weather, I am not excited about but can get over. However, I can't imagine our odds are great and the aftermath of a failed attempt could doom this season before it starts. Would love to agree that its a job and Baker wears his big boy pants, but he hasn't shown the maturity to do it in the past.
 
An unverified sports analyst on Twitter, who seems to be from Carolina, says Watson is down to the Browns or Panthers. He said he spoke to someone close to Watson who feels the Saints aren't as motived as Cleveland or Carolina, but may be putting on some gamesmanship to drive up the price for their NFC South rival.

Also interesting, he said Watson finds Cleveland most attractive because of the roster.

And, why wouldn't he. That's what gets me confused. The Browns roster is significantly better than what Carolina has - including their awful OL. Some of their better players just walked in free agency, and they're supposed to build around Watson without any draft picks?

At least the Browns have their core locked down, with most of our vital players being under contract for a number of years.

I think this thing could actually happen.
 
If anything gets this over the line for us Its the coaching staff.
1 guys a fu&king collage coach on his 1st NFL HC gig and the other guy hasnt started coaching his team yet.
our guy is a proven seasoned pro and his staff has been in place for 3 years.
If they go down to texas with their sh&t correct and impress? who knows? watson is down with the brothers. go AB!
this could bloody happen people.It would be the biggest move in cleveland since "the move"
we just might have to pay off a few HO's thats all. Its not the 1st time cleveland money went to HO's wont be the last.
 
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Suggestions online is that Baker would NOT be going back to HOU in the trade. If that's the case - likely looking at next 3 1sts + more as a start. What do you think the price tag ends up costing (if he waives his no-trade)?
 
Its going to cost at least what wilson got because watsons what? 8 years younger/faster
at least 3 x 1sts and 3 x 2nd rd picks or equivalent players/picks. as far as I know baker wouldn't have a choice on his rookie deal.
 
Suggestions online is that Baker would NOT be going back to HOU in the trade. If that's the case - likely looking at next 3 1sts + more as a start. What do you think the price tag ends up costing (if he waives his no-trade)?

The most consistent rumours say five assets. Three firsts, two seconds - or high-quality players.

Potential names to be included in a package include Denzel Ward, Kareem Hunt, Austin Hooper and Greedy Williams. It remains to be seen what Houston want. Ward is probably the only attractive name as a long-term addition and they might value the picks more to help them cultivate their roster.

I'm not surprised they don't want Mayfield. Frankly, they're going to tank the new season.

I do wonder what we could get in a Mayfield trade. It's hard to say what his value is. Might have to settle for a mid-to-late pick.
 
4rh rounder at best probably. Maybe a 3 if we can get a couple teams.in a bidding war.

I think we only need to give up 2 1st rounders Ward, and Hunt. Both players are pro bowl talents, imo Hunt will be back in the pro bowl with a full time stint. Maybe we have to give up a young stud like JOK. It would hurt, but nobody said it wouldn't.
 
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