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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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I kept trying to tell people going back to the Moneyball Moron calling the shots was a collosal fucking mistake. His little butt buddy Andy shit his wad trying to trade for a downgrade at QB and didn't land The Rapist and now Mayfield has said goodbye. Like I said when Truckstop Jimmy handed him the keys, he would destroy everything Dorsey built and send the Browns back into the gutter and here we are.

Who is Andy? Who is his butt buddy, I'm sorry I don't keep track of all the references you have in your head.
 
Rapoport reporting Baker's social media post was not a goodbye, but more of a, "If I have to say goodbye, this is what I would like to say post."

Which I don't think means Baker may yet remain in Cleveland, but I think more means Baker doesn't have any specific knowledge of an impending trade - either regarding Baker departing, or another quarterback incoming.

It's going to be an interesting day, although Jordan Schultz is reporting Watson wants to take his time in making up his mind. So we may not be as close to knowing anything as my impatient ass would like.
 
Rapoport reporting Baker's social media post was not a goodbye, but more of a, "If I have to say goodbye, this is what I would like to say post."

Which I don't think means Baker may yet remain in Cleveland, but I think more means Baker doesn't have any specific knowledge of an impending trade - either regarding Baker departing, or another quarterback incoming.

It's going to be an interesting day, although Jordan Schultz is reporting Watson wants to take his time in making up his mind. So we may not be as close to knowing anything as my impatient ass would like.


There's always collateral damage in things of this nature LOL!... this organization is still run by idiots... in general....
 
Bit of a conspiracy here - but I'm not seeing any of Mayfield's team mates commenting support on his "thanks" posts. None.

Maybe I'm just missing something, but there are rumours floating around that his relationship with the locker room wasn't exactly healthy and it is far beyond just the OBJ drama.

A couple of reporters have hinted at it, but nothing substantial. But, yeah, just seems weird.

Maybe none of his team mates came to his birthday and AB is really just all:

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Maybe I'm just missing something, but there are rumours floating around that his relationship with the locker room wasn't exactly healthy
for guys like njoku,juice and OBJ they depend on baker for their livelihoods no exaggeration.
so when hes not playing well AND refuses to step down (through injury) for the good of the team?
remember its up to him and his team If he plays? messing with a mans money? food on the table? this sh&t is primal.
not only that but after the PITT game,he stopped short of accusing the staff of serving him up to the blitzburg pass rush but the hint was there.Im sure he mentioned it to MKC.so Its no mystery BDU,bakers more or less told us publicly what he thinks.
we might have to sign him to a deal to stop him walking IF this watson thing falls through.thats what he'll want.
 
for guys like njoku,juice and OBJ they depend on baker for their livelihoods no exaggeration.
so when hes not playing well AND refuses to step down (through injury) for the good of the team?
remember its up to him and his team If he plays? messing with a mans money? food on the table? this sh&t is primal.
not only that but after the PITT game,he stopped short of accusing the staff of serving him up to the blitzburg pass rush but the hint was there.Im sure he mentioned it to MKC.so Its no mystery BDU,bakers more or less told us publicly what he thinks.
we might have to sign him to a deal to stop him walking IF this watson thing falls through.thats what he'll want.

It sounds more like there's a character concern deeper than just "he played injured and I want stats." Again, it's just rumours and vague suggestions, but it definitely sounds more than just guys being annoyed about injury.

Especially when he didn't have as much choice as you're suggesting. He was repeatedly medically cleared to play. A player cannot just say, "I disagree with the doctor and will not be playing." Go ask Antonio Brown about how that one goes. I would be stunned if anyone on the team faults Baker for not refusing to play despite being medically cleared.
 
The Carolina reporter that has been breaking a lot of shit just stated in Twitter spaces that she has Cleveland ahead of the pack right now in the Watson sweepstakes.

Sheena Quick. She's been doing good work, and reported days ago the Browns were right in the mix. And that's the most current update we've had from a credible source - she said it's from this morning.

Don't look now, but this might really be happening.
 
Rapoport reporting Baker's social media post was not a goodbye, but more of a, "If I have to say goodbye, this is what I would like to say post."

Which I don't think means Baker may yet remain in Cleveland, but I think more means Baker doesn't have any specific knowledge of an impending trade - either regarding Baker departing, or another quarterback incoming.

It's going to be an interesting day, although Jordan Schultz is reporting Watson wants to take his time in making up his mind. So we may not be as close to knowing anything as my impatient ass would like.
Ffs it said it means what is says it means.
Did he say goodbye?
No.
Then it wasnt a goodbye.

Is this Raport guy always this thick?
Or does he only speak womanese?
 
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