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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Baker is ours regardless. If we can't find an upgrade, we can force him to play. And he will work harder than he ever has before, if he values his future.

What a waste. I think I was done when he showed up with the muffin top. Or it was when he refused to get an off season coach to refine his skills. Can't remember which came first.
 
the disappointment of 2021 was crushing.OBJ was coming back,we signed clowney,walker and JJ3 our D looked great.
everything came together at the right time.I laid a goddamn bet! #6 had 5 chances to have game winning drives.he won zero.
 
You’re really that triggered he thanked the fans and city for their support? That’s the immaturity you’ve been crying about for the last 48 hours.

Either Baker is fucking your mother or you’re just pathologically obsessed with the guy.

I think you’re just pissed he put out a statement which was literate.
I am going to use your post to point out two things.

1: Baker is treating the divorce as professional as possible. The Browns F.O. went full trash mode on it, not him. They are yet again embarrassing themselves on the World stage.

2: You're moving on from Baker "because we want an adult at QB" so you're trying to trade away the next decade for a guy who threw a temper tantrum and quit his team because he demanded he choose who the GM and HC would be and they said "no." Oh, and a guy who thought it was okay to sexually assault 22 women because hey, he's an athlete and shit and entitled to get between their legs if he says so.

Yeah, that's not how it works. I wouldn't suspect a racist asshole who regularly goes around calling people kikes and crackers would comprehend that, especially when they write like a 10 year old with down syndrome who just power chugged a 6 pack of Red Bull.
 
Here is a thought:

Trade Baker to Lions (NFC) for #32 this year
Sign Mariota, Jameis, etc.
If QB on board at 32 that you think you could work with (Willis, Ridder) - take him, otherwise flip asset for 2023 1st + more
See if bridge QB can stabilize ship, otherwise set yourself up for 2023 QB class

Pros: Opens cap, keep assets, moves Baker to NFC
Cons: Short term bridge at QB, 2022 likely becomes lost year
 
The very notion of Mariota or Winston being our QB in 2022 just makes me feel physically ill. I don't know how you even begin to try and sell that vision to our locker room. To convince those guys that the window is still open, and that we're actually trying to win.

I vote start the rebuild immediately. Move on from everyone. Garrett, Chubb, Ward, etc. Just accumulate every possible asset in 2023 and 2024.

Hope the new regime does a better job of finding and developing a quarterback.
 
^ I don't like that idea BDU. I think we need to keep those core players in order to refrain from making it a multi-year rebuild. I believe that reasonable and consistent play from QB1 is the largest hole and that can be filled sooner than later.
 
I personally don't see Jimmy G as a longterm fix. Is there any other QB that won't cost a huge ransom that you would run it back with? Carr remains a longshot.
I personally like Jimmy G. He’s played 2 full seasons at SF. Went to Super Bowl and NFC championship game. Is 4-1 in the playoffs and a passer rating of 102 and 98.7 in those two years.
I think we can get him for far cheaper than DW and believe we would be night and day with him. Biggest concern is the injuries.
 
^ I don't like that idea BDU. I think we need to keep those core players in order to refrain from making it a multi-year rebuild. I believe that reasonable and consistent play from QB1 is the largest hole and that can be filled sooner than later.

We're about to have a big discussion on which back-up quarterback we want to see leading the Browns in 2022. You'll have to forgive me for my pessimism.
 
Went to Super Bowl and NFC championship game. Is 4-1 in the playoffs and a passer rating of 102 and 98.7 in those two years.

Cool. Post the numbers.

Out of curiosity, what does Jimmy have the fewest of in the playoffs:

A) Touchdowns.
B) Interceptions.
C) Games under 233 total passing yards.

It's A. He has 4 touchdowns to 6 interceptions in 6 playoff games, and he's never passed for 233 yards or more in a playoff game. Actually, in half those playoff games he didn't even pass for 150 yards.

But, I'm sure we're going to be fine.
 
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