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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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It was Jimmuh... confirmed on Spaces

The guy who forced the selection of Johnny Manziel and led the charge for the guy with 22 sexual indecency allegations hanging over his head thinks Mayfield isn't adult enough.

Speaking of serious allegations, how are Jimmuh's own legal issues going?

GIF related: Us when Jimmuh posts in the dick pic thread.

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The guy who forced the selection of Johnny Manziel and led the charge for the guy with 22 sexual indecency allegations hanging over his head thinks Mayfield isn't adult enough.

Speaking of serious allegations, how are Jimmuh's own legal issues going?

GIF related: Us when Jimmuh posts in the dick pic thread.

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Jimmuh outsmarted himself again and cost himself not one QB... but 2 at least...
 
I hope Baker releases another statement like; "I meant what I said. I love Cleveland and will give everything I have if I have the opportunity to do so. While I acknowledge the future is uncertain, I am currently a member of the Cleveland Browns and will continue to work hard to reach our goal of delivering this city a championship."

Just handle it with grace and maturity the front office, coaching staff and ownership are incapable of.

And then fuck Dee Haslam during training camp.

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Cool. Post the numbers.

Out of curiosity, what does Jimmy have the fewest of in the playoffs:

A) Touchdowns.
B) Interceptions.
C) Games under 233 total passing yards.

It's A. He has 4 touchdowns to 6 interceptions in 6 playoff games, and he's never passed for 233 yards or more in a playoff game. Actually, in half those playoff games he didn't even pass for 150 yards.
So pick the numbers from playoff games that he’s playing in while the Browns are at home on the couch.

I never said he was perfect, but he also doesn’t have the run game the Browns have and I would take Landry over Deebo.
Everyone ignores passer rating. Last 3 years quarterbacks ranked in the top 10 of the passer rating goes to the Super Bowl. Last year 14 of the top 16 went to the playoffs.
If Baker is our Qb were 7-10. Can’t wait
 
So pick the numbers from playoff games that he’s playing in while the Browns are at home on the couch.
It's almost like he was right there on the couch with us, he was that ineffective. San Fran might actually be Superbowl winners if they left him at home.

It's not a strong pitch.
 
baker shows his true colours.he said he never threatened demanding a trade to MKC 2 months later he does just that on the smallest provocation kid already had 1 foot out the door.he starts out his "heartfelt" letter to cleveland with a fu&king lie.(no hidden meaning) blame the FO all you like (f it fits your narrative) they were just doing their job. If baker would have just STFU everything would be fine.we're in this position because of bakers ego.period.

we are OUT on watson,which is a good thing.jimmy is a much cheaper/better/safer option for us.
thanks to BM It looks like JG or bust.yikes.

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I am happy Baker is gone. I just wish he was never here. Now we get to be mediocre for 5 years before we fire sale everything off and draft our next 6ft QB that's full of moxy.
You should be happy. Deep down you've never wanted the Browns to be good. You relish this team sucking. We'd be in the plaoffs every season if they'd just listened to you and drafted Rosen.
 
hey at least we'd have an adult at QB.he didnt spin out when they drafted lance.he kept his cool,played well and will
prolly end up having a better career than lance IMO. the niners will regret letting JG go just like the pats did.
If you give jimmy time? hes a great QB.a classic pocket passer at 6'3".hes under rated.
 
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Some rumblings that Matt Ryan is upset and wants out too (hence delaying his restructure to be traded). Perhaps a Baker for Ryan + more trade? Use Ryan as a bridge for 2023 draft QB?
 
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