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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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no brainer. I’ll take Ryan every time !

You guys really need to confront the reality that we're not talking prime Matt Ryan anymore. We're talking 37 year-old Matt Ryan who costs a fortune but really struggled in the second half of the 2021 season.

Sentencing an elderly, noodle arm Ryan to die in Cleveland should not be an option. Like, at all. I would rather roll the dice on Winston, Mariota or just straight up Mayfield.
 

Mayfield might be our cheapest option at one year, $18M with no draft pick surrendered.

- Jimmy G will cost a pick, which could be a high pick inconducive to a one year rental, and he's got $29M owed.
- Matt Ryan will cost a pick, and he's extremely expensive for the next two years.
- Jameis Winston was expected to re-sign with NO if they didn't get Watson, so it may require a multi-year deal if Watson joins ATL.

The most likely option for a cheaper alternative is Mariota given he's not got much interest from around the league. At least none that has been reported.

The fact is, none of these players are a first choice for the Browns. So don't expect the team to make a significant, multi-year commitment. Part of the attraction in Mayfield is he's not very expensive compared to some of the others, won't require a draft pick and is easy enough to move on from.

I'd be stunned if the Browns aren't factoring in movability in to their plans, although I will admit they might not have any plans at the moment.
 
You guys really need to confront the reality that we're not talking prime Matt Ryan anymore. We're talking 37 year-old Matt Ryan who costs a fortune but really struggled in the second half of the 2021 season.

Sentencing an elderly, noodle arm Ryan to die in Cleveland should not be an option. Like, at all. I would rather roll the dice on Winston, Mariota or just straight up Mayfield.
I heard the Colts were signing Mariota a few days ago, not sure if they changed their mind or not. Pass on Winston, again, another serial rapist who is a shit QB. It's DeRapist Watshit all over again.

No, bungling a trade for the Texans mediocre QB was a total Browns move. Reminds me of when this very same FO bungled the trade for AJ McCarron. They need to continue pulling Browns moves, and the most Browns move of all would be to trade for a 37 year old washed up QB who is being paid a shit ton of money but has been declining in skill for the last three years. That is the most Haslams era Browns move they could make. The second closest would be to trade multiple picks for Kirk Cousins.
 
Actually, early reports indicate a strong market for the Mayfield. Colts, Seahawks, Falcons (If not Watson) and Panthers (Now also officially out on Watson) all reported as having early interest in Mayfield.

See, teams actually want him. The guys our fans want have literally zero market. None. Nada. It's either us or some random back-up gig.
I didn't say teams don't want him. I said teams know we don't want him and aren't going to give us any value for him.

In the end, we can just cut Baker and give the Patriots our first round pick for Hoyer. At least . . . .
 
I heard the Colts were signing Mariota a few days ago, not sure if they changed their mind or not. Pass on Winston, again, another serial rapist who is a shit QB. It's DeRapist Watshit all over again.

No, bungling a trade for the Texans mediocre QB was a total Browns move. Reminds me of when this very same FO bungled the trade for AJ McCarron. They need to continue pulling Browns moves, and the most Browns move of all would be to trade for a 37 year old washed up QB who is being paid a shit ton of money but has been declining in skill for the last three years. That is the most Haslams era Browns move they could make. The second closest would be to trade multiple picks for Kirk Cousins.
Get some picks from a Baker trade and take a short term loan out on Mariota.
Can we live with that?
 
I didn't say teams don't want him. I said teams know we don't want him and aren't going to give us any value for him.

In the end, we can just cut Baker and give the Patriots our first round pick for Hoyer. At least . . . .

I should have been more clear - I think the value would come from teams competing to get him rather than the Browns being weird.
 
So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.
Thanks for reading, AB.
 
this is one of those situations where, things look dark but I really believe in the long term we are coming out of this better off (unpredictably) than we were. there are a few QB on the market who, given time in the pocket can be great pocket QB's.ryan,fitz,mariotta or jimmy I think could all take us deep into the playoffs (esp with this schedule) some times things get darker just before the dawn.

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Hunt over! We've chewed up and spit out another sorry ass qb in Baker Mayfield. He and nickers can go 69 each other now.....Baker will soon be out of the league. Stick a fork in the pudgey little moron......
 
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Hunt over! We've chewed up and spit out another sorry ass qb in Baker Mayfield. He and nickers can go 69 each other now.....Baker will soon be out of the league. Stick a fork in the pudgey little moron......
Dude, WTF? You have no dog in this hunt. A lot of people like Mayfield. That doesn't make them bad people or bad Browns fans. I will keep this post close by and see if your Mayfield prediction comes true.

I would advise against doing a 69 with Nickers. I tried once, and that was enough. The guy farts constantly.
 
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