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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Matt Ryan would be a massive upgrade over Baker. Let's face it, anyone who can read a defense worth a lick will be a massive upgrade over Baker.

Baker is a bitch, always has been ....so fucking sensitive. Just shut up and do your job, pussy. Maybe try not to get fat over the off-season and perhaps realize you are not even a shadow of Brett Favre and you could use some off season work on your technique.

This is a thread of me being right 150 times starting with when we were 4-4. I have 12 years of an incredible history of being right most of the time. When you dumb cunts bring up Rosen it makes me so happy inside because I realize that is literally the only thing you can ever come up with. And I loved Allen 1000x more. Let's face it, fucking Dehone Kizer would have been better for our franchise long term than Baker. Because he wouldn't have fooled all you low IQ types into thinking he was something special.

A fat, 5'11 drama queen, with the sensitivity of a teenage girl. No speed. No vision. Low intellect. But he sure does have a cannon. Be grateful we are finally going to be rid of this pest. Tear down your posters, and start rooting for the Browns again, instead of fapping to your Napoleonic wet dream.
 
Matt Ryan would be a massive upgrade over Baker. Let's face it, anyone who can read a defense worth a lick will be a massive upgrade over Baker.

Baker is a bitch, always has been ....so fucking sensitive. Just shut up and do your job, pussy. Maybe try not to get fat over the off-season and perhaps realize you are not even a shadow of Brett Favre and you could use some off season work on your technique.

This is a thread of me being right 150 times starting with when we were 4-4. I have 12 years of an incredible history of being right most of the time. When you dumb cunts bring up Rosen it makes me so happy inside because I realize that is literally the only thing you can ever come up with. And I loved Allen 1000x more. Let's face it, fucking Dehone Kizer would have been better for our franchise long term than Baker. Because he wouldn't have fooled all you low IQ types into thinking he was something special.

A fat, 5'11 drama queen, with the sensitivity of a teenage girl. No speed. No vision. Low intellect. But he sure does have a cannon. Be grateful we are finally going to be rid of this pest. Tear down your posters, and start rooting for the Browns again, instead of fapping to your Napoleonic wet dream.
You are full of shit. Matt Ryan would be a massive downgrade to a healthy Baker. You seem to hate the Browns. Why don't you start a Bills fan website.
 
Matt Ryan is a fucking terrible idea. His cap hits for the next two years are $48 million and $43 million.

Do you guys realise how many guys we will have to cut to get cap compliant with one of the largest QB cap hits in the league - and all of that for a stopgap quarterback who is very blatantly starting to show his age and is no longer winning games?

That'll go down a treat when Ryan puts up Mayfield-esque numbers while we can't re-sign Denzel Ward but at least we gave Mayfield the middle finger.

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Sorry. . . every team in the NFL knows we don't want Baker. We ain't getting a damn thing for him, much less Matt Ryan +.

Actually, early reports indicate a strong market for the Mayfield. Colts, Seahawks, Falcons (If not Watson) and Panthers (Now also officially out on Watson) all reported as having early interest in Mayfield.

See, teams actually want him. The guys our fans want have literally zero market. None. Nada. It's either us or some random back-up gig.
 
why cant we restructure? why cant the falcons restructure then move him.he must know at 37 he cant make that much $$

do you have a better idea now we are where we are? whats next?

We can restructure if we can convince him to hate money. Damn right he knows at 37 he can't make that much money. So imagine how good he feels knowing he is indeed making that much money.

What's next is one of three options:

1) Get Mayfield back. Maybe he cools off naturally and agrees to play the final year. Maybe the promise to draft Garrett Wilson helps. Maybe off him a good faith extension like 2 years, $55M. You can still draft a QB to develop behind him this year or next but Baker at least gets some job security and a raise.
2) Trade Mayfield and find someone else. Ryan costs too fucking much and Jimmy G probably costs too much draft capital to simply be a one year rental. I don't fucking know. Jameis Winston? Honestly, the options aren't great and the Browns didn't put much thought in to this.
3) Draft a rookie QB and just hand him the reigns Deshone Kizer style. It's the worst QB draft since 2013 and the QB movement this offseason tells you how much NFL teams hate this QB class, but it is what is.

Those are the options, basically. What's next is just shit.
 
now come on ,you know damn well they are offering 3rd rd picks! LMFAO! still defending your nephew after what he just did to this team? but OBJ was a cancer right?

Sorry, NFL teams just don't hate him as much as you do. I've been trying to tell you all year that even average quarterbacks are coveted in this league, that Baker is harder to replace than you think, that "anyone is better' is super wrong.

Enjoy it. You're getting everything you wanted.

I am absolutely defending Mayfield. Again, you just have a personal hatred of the kid so you'll always blame him for everything. This team just fucked up with their handling of this situation. Everyone else in the league can see it. Our team is being annihilated right now, egg on face, awful situation to be in, same old Browns.

Celebrate it all you want. It speaks volumes about your fandom that you're not as upset as the rest of us are.
 
Celebrate it all you want. It speaks volumes about your fandom
you are putting mayfield before the team, not I.It speaks to your fandom.
wasnt it you who said we needed to trade baker ASAP?
what are teams offering then? BTW most people arent on board with you at all.many saw this coming months ago.

 
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you are putting mayfield before the team, not I.It speaks to your fandom.

Why? Because I won't clap for anything that hurts Mayfield, even if it hurts the team?

You're the one asking me what comes next because you're excited for... well, you don't even know what for. You just know it's been enough for Baker to refuse to play for this team and you love it.

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enough for Baker to refuse to play for this team and you love it.
I love it because it confirms what Ive always suspected.the kids just too immature and sensitive for this league.
bakers going to go someplace where they wont custom the playbook for him.they wont custom the O-line for him.they wont wipe his ass.an hes going to get creamed in a traditional "shotgun scheme" injury will prolly end his career.
he just went to the media and demanded a trade,just like OBJ.so where is your indignation now? why are we getting offers for a 3rd rd pick for baker? because hes a 3rd rd mofo QB. thats why.
 
Yah the writing has been on the wall since early in the season when Baker was sabotaging OBJ and pretending to be horribly injured on gameday while looking just fine during practice. Fact is Baker thought he was the man. Bigger than the team, bigger than the coach, and bigger than the WR. He was right about the WR, he won that one. But when he decides to take on the coach privately and publicly, and then attempted to sabotage his coach with poor play ...he didn't realize he was burying himself, because he just isn't smart enough.

The Falcons were literally on the verge of restructuring Ryan's contract and then put that on hold last week when they go into the Watson sweepstakes. Ryan will be a massive upgrade, and I hope we sign him for another I told you so, and perhaps a deep playoff run. I am not as sure about Jimmy ..his ability to read a defense is questionable but I admit ignorance on that subject. That being said, he is still miles better than Baker. He is a winner, the opposite of Reagan Mayfield. I am also fairly certain Fitzmagic would win more with this team than Baker did. That's how bad Baker sucked.

Yes, yes ...you guys will tell me I am wrong again, and I won't be wrong ....again. Just like when I was being told that Baker was going to be our QB, period ...end of story. Hilarity.

We all enjoyed his rookie year. Since then it's been nothing but disappointment. At least to those of us who watch for improvement and don't just blindly cheer for the heroic little guy we have allowed our imaginations to run wild with. The kid sucks. He has a losers mentality, and unless he changes it ...which he claims he won't, then he is destined for backup duty. The rest of the league has figured him out. It was easy. Now we see the adults in the room finally saying ...enough!
 
this is one of those situations where, things look dark but I really believe in the long term we are coming out of this better off (unpredictably) than we were. there are a few QB on the market who, given time in the pocket can be great pocket QB's.ryan,fitz,mariotta or jimmy I think could all take us deep into the playoffs (esp with this schedule) some times things get darker just before the dawn.

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this is one of those situations where, things look dark but I really believe in the long term we are coming out of this better off (unpredictably) than we were. there are a few QB on the market who, given time in the pocket can be great pocket QB's.ryan,fitz,mariotta or jimmy I think could all take us deep into the playoffs (esp with this schedule) some times things get darker just before the dawn.

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Things are looking brighter if you enjoy more losing seasons. Here's a hint: use the spacebar between periods and commas. It will be harder for people to tell you're an idiot.
 
he just went to the media and demanded a trade,just like OBJ.so where is your indignation now?

After a fucking week of "We are moving him even if we can't upgrade the QB position" reports from the Browns, followed by someone calling him immature.

I don't care anymore. You don't want to see reason. But everyone objective is being super critical of how the Browns handled this.
 
You are full of shit. Matt Ryan would be a massive downgrade to a healthy Baker. You seem to hate the Browns. Why don't you start a Bills fan website.
Your football talent evaluation/iq is waning big time! Let’s compare them just from an eye test point of view.

Ryan, has size, big arm, can read a defense, has led his team to the big dance, mature, commands respect, knows how to win in the 4th, wins against playoff caliber teams and I could go on.

Mayfield, none of the above and wants out of Cleveland.

no brainer. I’ll take Ryan every time !
 
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