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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Dude, WTF? You have no dog in this hunt. A lot of people like Mayfield. That doesn't make them bad people or bad Browns fans. I will keep this post close by and see if your Mayfield prediction comes true.

I would advise against doing a 69 with Nickers. I tried once, and that was enough. The guy farts constantly.
You can love Mayfield all you want and practice your homosexuality all you want with whomever you want. Including Mike Tomlin. As a lifelong Brownsfan, (you are missed Cliff) i have a lot more skin in the game than you ever will pal.....
 
<<You can love Mayfield all you want>>
I do not need your permission for anything. Not even penising your family.

<<and practice your homosexuality all you want with whomever you want. Including Mike Tomlin.>>
Again, I do not need your permission for anything, not even penising your family.

As a lifelong Brownsfan, (you are missed Cliff) i have a lot more skin in the game than you ever will pal.....
You are, the consummate fucking moron. The only "skin" you have in the game is your foreskin as you masturbate over visions of being the world's greatest Browns fan.

Put your cock down and listen up sparky.....................

  • You have no skills in assessing football talent
  • Nobody other than your family (who I have penised without needing your permission) has ever heard your assessment bullshit
  • Nobody has ever paid you to do jack shit as it applied to football
  • You have no fucking skin in the Browns. Nothing the Browns do affects your life, other than in your own fucked up brain. If the Browns lose, you still have to restock the deli isle. If the Browns win, you still have to clean out the shitters. When the Browns have a bye week, you still have to round up all the shopping carts and bring them back into the store. If the Browns go to the playoffs, you still have to ask, "plastic or paper sir?"
  • I penised Cliff, I also penised his wife
As a "lifelong" Browns fan, you are one of the junior members here. You are junior to me. I was watching the Browns in Muni even before your mom was playing penis roulette and trying to get knocked up. She told me to wear a condom, but I didn't, and look....look at the fucking curse that has come my way!

I lived to see Milt Plum, Ray Renfro, Bob Gain, Monte Clark, John Brown, Wooten, Hickerson, Denton, Fichtner, MItchell and Shofner.

I lived to see the Great Jim Marshall, from Ohio State play his rookie season for Paul Brown, only to have Brown fuck up and send him to Minnesota. Your "skin" in the game didn't even make you aware of that, did it?

Sit down, shut your fucking pie hole, stop making an asshole of yourself and learn something. I will teach you.



LMAO at bitchslapping this guy.
 
As a "lifelong" Browns fan, you are one of the junior members here. You are junior to me.
you're a fu&king joke.the biggest clown with the longest (I dont read) most boring brain dead posts in the world.
you're a self confessed yinzer. you and your buddy rags came back to this site and fu&king painted it with crap.
you both hate this team.why dont you both fu&k away? go to your steelers website GD liar.
 
ou ou're a fu&king joke.the biggest clown with the longest (I dont read) most boring brain dead posts in the world. you're a self confessed yinzer. you and your buddy rags came back to this site and fu&king painted it with crap. you both hate this team.why dont you both fu&k away? go to your steelers website GD liar. >> Funniest shit, yet. I truly live in your head. I get it, I steal your audience and expose your double digit IQ. Why not focus on things that make you happy? Think about the days when you had a job and your own cubicle. Remember how happ you were back then??
 
I do not need your permission for anything. Not even penising your family.


Again, I do not need your permission for anything, not even penising your family.


You are, the consummate fucking moron. The only "skin" you have in the game is your foreskin as you masturbate over visions of being the world's greatest Browns fan.

Put your cock down and listen up sparky.....................

  • You have no skills in assessing football talent
  • Nobody other than your family (who I have penised without needing your permission) has ever heard your assessment bullshit
  • Nobody has ever paid you to do jack shit as it applied to football
  • You have no fucking skin in the Browns. Nothing the Browns do affects your life, other than in your own fucked up brain. If the Browns lose, you still have to restock the deli isle. If the Browns win, you still have to clean out the shitters. When the Browns have a bye week, you still have to round up all the shopping carts and bring them back into the store. If the Browns go to the playoffs, you still have to ask, "plastic or paper sir?"
  • I penised Cliff, I also penised his wife
As a "lifelong" Browns fan, you are one of the junior members here. You are junior to me. I was watching the Browns in Muni even before your mom was playing penis roulette and trying to get knocked up. She told me to wear a condom, but I didn't, and look....look at the fucking curse that has come my way!

I lived to see Milt Plum, Ray Renfro, Bob Gain, Monte Clark, John Brown, Wooten, Hickerson, Denton, Fichtner, MItchell and Shofner.

I lived to see the Great Jim Marshall, from Ohio State play his rookie season for Paul Brown, only to have Brown fuck up and send him to Minnesota. Your "skin" in the game didn't even make you aware of that, did it?

Sit down, shut your fucking pie hole, stop making an asshole of yourself and learn something. I will teach you.



LMAO at bitchslapping this guy.

Pure Classic Schidt Tom!... I needed a good laugh... Thanks Brother! ♥
 
Getting back to football,

Kudos to the "arthur" of this thread. On November 1, Best Players threw out for conversations that "It is time to turn the page on Baker Mayfield".

After 61 pages of posts, bitching, arguing, conjecture, and fellatio, we went from hating Baker to acquiescing that we would probably stay put for 1 more year, to opinions on which free agent asshole was going to land in Brownstown we wound up with DeShaun Watson.
Regardless of your position on the guy you have to admit that this was something crazy to be a part of, and you have to admit, Best Players was on the money. It was indeed time. Great thread, bro.

So now we will have the internal argument between traditionalists like Ragnar who prefer the hometown hero blood and guts classic Bernie/Mart/Sam died in the wool Brownies and the more pop-culture, damn the torpedoes let's win at all cost mover and shaker.

I prefer the honorable Browns model that Rags longs for. If I was in Haslam's shoes I would have never brought Watson into my house, and taking it from figuratively to honestly, how many would feel comfortable is Watson was alone with their wife or daughter? At the same time, we forgive, forget and to different degrees for each of us, move forward.

I really don't need to hear more about the sex charges as I honestly believe it is mental masturbation at this point. I also don't give a shit about Baker Mayfield.

At least we have some excitement.

(Also, let's all be thankful that Trophyhill is an expert at talent evaluation, and also has a lot of skin in the game.)
 
you're a fu&king joke.the biggest clown with the longest (I dont read) most boring brain dead posts in the world.
you're a self confessed yinzer. you and your buddy rags came back to this site and fu&king painted it with crap.
you both hate this team.why dont you both fu&k away? go to your steelers website GD liar.
 
you're a fu&king joke.the biggest clown with the longest (I dont read) most boring brain dead posts in the world.
you're a self confessed yinzer. you and your buddy rags came back to this site and fu&king painted it with crap.
you both hate this team.why dont you both fu&k away? go to your steelers website GD liar.

Holmes, if you wanna say fuck, then just type it.
If not, then leave it.
For fuck sake.
 
Getting back to football,

Kudos to the "arthur" of this thread. On November 1, Best Players threw out for conversations that "It is time to turn the page on Baker Mayfield".

After 61 pages of posts, bitching, arguing, conjecture, and fellatio, we went from hating Baker to acquiescing that we would probably stay put for 1 more year, to opinions on which free agent asshole was going to land in Brownstown we wound up with DeShaun Watson.
Regardless of your position on the guy you have to admit that this was something crazy to be a part of, and you have to admit, Best Players was on the money. It was indeed time. Great thread, bro.

So now we will have the internal argument between traditionalists like Ragnar who prefer the hometown hero blood and guts classic Bernie/Mart/Sam died in the wool Brownies and the more pop-culture, damn the torpedoes let's win at all cost mover and shaker.

I prefer the honorable Browns model that Rags longs for. If I was in Haslam's shoes I would have never brought Watson into my house, and taking it from figuratively to honestly, how many would feel comfortable is Watson was alone with their wife or daughter? At the same time, we forgive, forget and to different degrees for each of us, move forward.

I really don't need to hear more about the sex charges as I honestly believe it is mental masturbation at this point. I also don't give a shit about Baker Mayfield.

At least we have some excitement.

(Also, let's all be thankful that Trophyhill is an expert at talent evaluation, and also has a lot of skin in the game.)
I agree, I also prefer that model. But Baker wasn't that. He was a lazy ahole with a huge ego who hates the city he played in despite what he claimed. I witnessed first hand many times while he ignored his fans at training camp, he was too good to come up and chat or sign autographs, no matter how sweetly the little kid begged for it. The second he could leave he did, and was never here a second longer than he needed to be. Unlike guys like Kosar, or Josh Allen who live in and love the communities they rep. But it is what it is. This is the NFL. Free agency, and players unions ruined it. Oh well.
 
I agree, I also prefer that model. But Baker wasn't that. He was a lazy ahole with a huge ego who hates the city he played in despite what he claimed. I witnessed first hand many times while he ignored his fans at training camp, he was too good to come up and chat or sign autographs, no matter how sweetly the little kid begged for it. The second he could leave he did, and was never here a second longer than he needed to be. Unlike guys like Kosar, or Josh Allen who live in and love the communities they rep. But it is what it is. This is the NFL. Free agency, and players unions ruined it. Oh well.
All good points, and I agree wholeheartedly that he was not a Kosar, et al and I should not have even made that comparison. I got chewed up on more than one occasion for suggesting that Mayfield's immature reactions and constant referral to himself had to be detrimental to the team. I was impressed with him a bit in 2020 but to me the worst quality he had is that almost exclusively, in what are often called championship moments, Mayfield never delivered. He never had that "get carried off the field after victory" moment.

My overall feeling are that I will be really glad when we get him the fuck out of here. I am supporting of Watson. All this accusations bullshit is just a headache to me. I want the Browns to win and regardless of your moral compass, mine, or anyone else's, this is 2022 and the entire world is fucked up, so, onward we go to the Superbowl. Fucked up but happy.
 
This story caught my attention. According to the discussion one team was approached about trading for Baker Mayfield, and they wanted a draft pick to take him. Man, that is really fucked up if true. LMAO, Baker is going to be the one blowing someone now. LMAO

 
I've heard rumors that BM screwed the team over with his goodbye Cle Tweet and then doubled down with the trade me request which motivated the FO to keep trying for Watson even further because they could not count on BM.

That's pretty much what all this looks like. BM's fuckery got himself ousted when he could've just STFU and let things play out. He might still be here had he done that.

My overall feeling are that I will be really glad when we get him the fuck out of here. I am supporting of Watson. All this accusations bullshit is just a headache to me. I want the Browns to win and regardless of your moral compass, mine, or anyone else's, this is 2022 and the entire world is fucked up, so, onward we go to the Superbowl. Fucked up but happy.
I completely agree.
 
news coming out baker was going to hold out for a contract this year anyway.he had no intention of playing football in '22 without a new contract.as Ive suspected and written something happened between the steelers game and his interview with MKC.the kid was planning on holding the franchise to ransom anyway.the sooner we ship him to seattle the better.
 
Oh i suspect the issues with Baker were long before the final Steelers game. They probably go back to the 2020 season if not further. I would not be surprised to later learn that Baker had issues in the locker room going back to 2019 when he did the no no of talking about Duke Johnson's money
 
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