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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Something deeper must be concerning teams.
His ego, I know fans love it. NFL franchises not so much. He's a starter in the NFL for sure, but he brings baggage. Sometimes the baggage outweighs the need.

Not to mention, he did the FO no favors by requesting a trade. Desperate teams don't need to overreact and overpay as they can see the situation is toxic.
 
Controversial statement, but he's too good to not be drawing ANY trade interest. Something deeper must be concerning teams.
It has to be something deeper and more serious then just "he acts immature at times." When we look at the amount of still needy teams, as well as several teams where Mayfield would be a clear cut upgrade, the fact that no one is even kicking the tires speaks volumes.
 
It has to be something deeper and more serious then just "he acts immature at times." When we look at the amount of still needy teams, as well as several teams where Mayfield would be a clear cut upgrade, the fact that no one is even kicking the tires speaks volumes.
It’s his wifey
She wears the pants(I’m not denying my wife doesn’t think she does and vice versa lol)
No one wants drama from that position.
He’ll get picked up and we’ll see some compensation.

I messed up who I quoted
I’m pretty sure it was ragnor
 
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It’s his wifey
She wears the pants(I’m not denying my wife doesn’t think she does and vice versa lol)
No one wants drama from that position.
He’ll get picked up and we’ll see some compensation.

I messed up who I quoted
I’m pretty sure it was ragnor
The misquote is okay, we are all in this barrel together. There really is no logic to explain why the fuck we care so much about this shit. Camaraderie, family, friendships, fraternity, memories, pride in our community, fuck, none of that explains how over the top we are for this shit.

I saw some of he wifey flak, but you know maybe it is because I am an old fart, but Mayfield and his wife are still kids. Honestly, an NFL contract projects young men into a really large stage. When I read some of Bakers more cringe causing proclamations, I shook my head in that an adult, a parent or teacher could look past such comments, but the public, largely even more immature will be much less forgiving.

As I said, I will continue to watch him on the periphery, I feel bad his situation has come to this, I hope he finds a good place to play, and I am ready for Watson (RFW).
 
It has to be something deeper and more serious then just "he acts immature at times." When we look at the amount of still needy teams, as well as several teams where Mayfield would be a clear cut upgrade, the fact that no one is even kicking the tires speaks volumes.
It is as weird as a Twilight Zone episode. At the same time bro, you know how vindictive and thin skinned these fucking owners are today. You say it could be something deeper and more serious which makes sense, but would it surprise you if the real reason is some fucktard bullshit thing that he insulted the ivory tower of the NFL, and it is something we the fans couldn't give a shit about?

Applying logic to this doesn't seem to get anywhere. The kid is a better prospect than some who have already been signed. We concur, there is something more to this that what we know. I hope the kid lands somewhere, soon. I can't imagine sleep comes easy to the kid these days.
 
<<you're a fu&king joke.the biggest clown with the longest (I dont read) most boring brain dead posts in the world.>>
I bet you tell people that you didn't inhale either?
I bet you also tell people you didn't swallow?

Dude, you read me. You research me, and you love me.
Ghoolie is the excuse you give your wife for your MinnyHaymaker being so spongy and listless.

<<you're a self confessed yinzer>
You need psychological help. I have many friends, colleagues, and memories in the Pittsburgh area. I enjoy what used to be our rivalry. The issue ere is not that I am a yinzer, but rather that you throw temper tantrums over childish shit like this.

< you and your buddy rags came back to this site and fu&king painted it with crap.>
My "buddy" Rags and I have had our share of nastiness, but at the root of my "buddiship" with him is a respect for his being a lifelong Browns fan, being a good Dad, working hard, helping his community, and putting up with my occasional asshole-ness.

If Rags considers me to be a "buddy", that's a feather in my cap that I am happy to flaunt.

<you both hate this team.why dont you both fu&k away? go to your steelers website GD liar.>
You need psychological help. That you can continually filter down discussions about something as frivolous as a football team, and work yourself into a red-faced frenzy based in your imaginary standards of who is and how isn't a Browns fan, is really fucked up. I would imagine that if asked, most patrons here would agree with me that you really are fucked up. Not fucked up like the rest of us who just spend too much of our lives on the Browns, but fucked up in the sense that you get personally offended and go into personal tirades when someone doesn't think the way you do.

Honestly, dude, you need help. You are fucked up.
 
I think its fair to say we've followed the advice of the OP and moved on from Mayfield. Finally! Although there are still a few who just dont have it in them to admit Baker was trash. I hope he goes to pukesburg and we can watch or defense feast on him. Excited to see what the guy we should have drafted a few years ago can do. Bring your A game and shut some of the clowns up who are hating on ya Watson.
 
From the desk of our very own resident Lloyd Christmas

<<I think its fair to say we've followed the advice of the OP and moved on from Mayfield.>>
While many of us agreed with Best Players from the beginning of this thread, it is the TEAM who moved on, and while we have come to have great respect for your talent evaluation skills, and awe of how much skin you have in the game, the Browns have not officially moved on from Mayfield. He, unlike you and all your skin, is STILL a Clevland Browns player.

<<Finally! Although there are still a few who just dont have it in them to admit Baker was trash.>>
You really live in a fucked up world, don't you? WTF does "dont have it in them" mean? WTF in the world of jackoffs does that mean?

  • Some people still believe Baker can play, even some coaches and analysts
  • Some people think he is not very good, but wish him well
  • Mayfield isn't trash. YOU are trash. The kid won the Heisman, got drafted #1 #1, played as an NFL QB, took the team to the playoffs and beat the Steelers. What exactly have YOU done in your life that dwarfs Baker's accomplishments and makes him trash?
Dude, nobody here has any skin in this. Nobody here works for any NFL entity. You live in a fantasy world where you think there are people who are embarrassed, and just can't admit that they were wrong about Baker, that they are losing sleep and churning over the thought of OMG admitting Baker is no good.

I swear to God someone should make a comedy movie about the Walter Mitty fantasy world you live in.


<< I hope he goes to pukesburg and we can watch or defense feast on him.>>
Be honest with me, no shit, I am asking this sincerely. Are you a time traveler? Did you actually know James Thurber? Are you his motivation for his 1939 short story? Be honest.

Do you realize how weird your statement paints you to be?

I can picture you, pretending to be an announcer watching the Baker led Steelers playing the Browns......I can almost hear your fantasy narration.................

"Mayfield drops back, OMG here comes Garret with a crushing blow to Mayfield's lower back, BUT BUT OMG, before he hits the Ground, Clowney delivers a shoulder to his helmet, knocking it off, causing Mayfield to be unconscious and without 7 teeth. Folks, this was the hardest hit ever on a QB, but it was clean and Baker is on the stretched going to the hospital. It doesn't look good"

Dude, you are fucked up mondo bizarro.

Excited to see what the guy we should have drafted a few years ago can do. Bring your A game and shut some of the clowns up who are hating on ya Watson.
Despite your skin in the game, Watson can't hear you. He doesn't know you and he will never give a fuck about hearing your advice.

But, on your advice, you are telling him to bring his A game? Jeez, do you fucking think he needs you to tell him to play his best? Do you think that if he is not told to bring his A game, he will instead bring his B or C game?

Do you think that Watson met with Berry and said to him....."I want to play in Cleveland because I want to silence some of those clowns who are hating on me?

Jesus Christ, you are weird, dude. If a guy like Rags doesn't like Watson, it doesn't mean he isn't a Browns fan. You don't get to decide who is a fan and who isn't. There is no checklist of things one must do to qualify as being a Browns fan. Whether Watson and Baker succeeds or not going forward, it has no impact at all on any of us.

Your best posts are the ones you accidentally delete before posting them.
 
His ego, I know fans love it. NFL franchises not so much. He's a starter in the NFL for sure, but he brings baggage. Sometimes the baggage outweighs the need.

Not to mention, he did the FO no favors by requesting a trade. Desperate teams don't need to overreact and overpay as they can see the situation is toxic.
All good points. I just read an article, and forgive me for not reporting it or linking it, although it is nothing we don't already have a grip on, but the piece talked about how Mayfield's options for a job are now dwindling very fast, and how even among the teams that remain the interest in him is not very high.

Jesus, Joseph and Mary, this guy's NFL life went to shit faster than any I can remember in recent history.
 
I wonder if Mayfield's injury plays into his outcast situation now? Could he have been the one who insisted his injury was not an issue, and then demanded that he start or else? Not that I know if he even had the clout to force such a think, but it is food for thought.

He insists he can play, he lays a fucking egg, and now there is hell to pay for everyone involved with letting him play?

It is hard to know what goes on where we can't see, but as Rags said, there seems to something bigger than meets the eye. It isn't just the Browns who don't want this guy. This seems to be a pretty dark issue. Interesting for sure.
 
I wonder if Mayfield's injury plays into his outcast situation now? Could he have been the one who insisted his injury was not an issue, and then demanded that he start or else? Not that I know if he even had the clout to force such a think, but it is food for thought.

He insists he can play, he lays a fucking egg, and now there is hell to pay for everyone involved with letting him play?

It is hard to know what goes on where we can't see, but as Rags said, there seems to something bigger than meets the eye. It isn't just the Browns who don't want this guy. This seems to be a pretty dark issue. Interesting for sure.
The way he handled himself is weird.
He thinks that playing hurt and staying on the field means being a leader.
Really, he was hurting the team.

But why didnt Stefanski tell him to sit down?
 
Its simple, Mayfield, average talent, over achieved in college, underachieved at the pro level.

Watson, elite college qb, elite pro qb.

Anyone who doesnt see that, no need apply. Its too late for you. I can't fix stupid. This is your 1 and only free talent evaluation. Next one's gonna cost ya 😏
 
The way he handled himself is weird. All through his career, not just the last few months.
Monumentally weird
He thinks that playing hurt and staying on the field means being a leader.
Really, he was hurting the team.

But why didnt Stefanski tell him to sit down?
Here is what I think is plausible. Mayfield went to Haslam, made his case that this is his team, he can play and Stefanski should not be allowed to pull him. I think Stefanski had no choice other than to let Baker sink or swim. Maybe he purposely made it tough for Mayfield to succeed with bad game plans?

Mayfield stinks it up, loses his power struggle, Stefanski pulls his victory card and get this fucking guy out of here.

There is something more than Mayfield's marginal/shitty year coming into play here. There is some behavior this guy engaged in that has chilled 31 other teams. Based on talent alone, he is as good or better than some of the guys who have found new jobs.

We re not likely going to find out for awhile, if ever.
 
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Its simple, Mayfield, average talent, over achieved in college, underachieved at the pro level.
Maybe it is simple for you, but your assessment is wrong. There are multiple actual NFL talent experts, former players and analysts who have Mayfield's talents higher than some of the guys who have found new homes.

Underachieving as a #1/#1 is not as cut and dry as you wish it was. The guy still came a bad ref call on a helmet to helmet hit, robbing us of a TD from taking the Browns to the AFC championship game.

Something went on in Cleveland that has cooled the jets of a lot of NFL teams, and I am willing to bet it was a failed powerplay on Mayfieds part pitting Stefanski and maybe even Berry against Haslam. Dude, Mayfield is not so bad that teams who don't have a QB are staying away from him. He isn't Tim Couch.
Watson, elite college qb, elite pro qb.
Yeah, we get it, you like Watson. Relax, take a deep breath and sit back down.

Anyone who doesnt see that, no need apply. Its too late for you. I can't fix stupid. This is your 1 and only free talent evaluation. Next one's gonna cost ya 😏
Your posts indeed are proof positive that you have no ability to fix stupid. I hereby anoint you Captain Obvious.
 
Something went on in Cleveland that has cooled the jets of a lot of NFL teams, and I am willing to bet it was a failed powerplay on Mayfieds part pitting Stefanski and maybe even Berry against Haslam. Dude, Mayfield is not so bad that teams who don't have a QB are staying away from him. He isn't Tim Couch.

From what know just because it's out in the open:

- Mayfield will demand a trade if he is unhappy or if he feels like he's on the hot seat.
- Mayfield does not want to be involved in a QB competition.
- Mayfield can rub team mates the wrong way.
- Mayfield can let his relationship with his coach fracture quickly.
- Mayfield will go public with things, even if only in minor capacity.
- Mayfield and his camp will leak to media.
- Mayfield has a passive-aggressive temper and holds grudges.

With where he is in his career, none of those bode well for him. It's (somewhat) similar to Kaep; absolutely good enough to be a back-up, but the on-the-field talent is not the only thing you're getting. And that talent doesn't surpass what teams feel they can get from players who don't bring the weather with them.

I'll add another one to the list which I think is equally true.

- Mayfield hasn't accepted that he might have to settle for not being a starting quartback; for now.

He may have to go the Trubisky route. And Mayfield has undoubtedly shown more than Trubisky has, is undoubtedly more talented, and is more likely to be a starting quarterback in this league. But Trubisky graciously accepted his back-up role, joined a team on a small contract and earned a spot in someone's plans for the future.

If I was Mayfield's agent, I'd be telling him the best thing I could do for him is to reach out to Tampa Bay, let them know Mayfield will renegotiate a significant pay cut, and learn behind Tom Brady for a year. Maybe Brady gets hurt and you get a chance on a good team, maybe Brady retires next year and Tampa decides they like you, or maybe next year a team is willing to roll the dice on the "He's learned how to prepare the right way from Brady" card.

Right now, he's probably not good enough to entice a contender but too good for a bad team to risk going 7-10 on - putting them in quarterback purgatory in a 2023 draft which is currently shaping up to be pretty good.
 
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