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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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I'm getting paranoid Watson is going to receive a stupid suspension.

Guys like Joe Banner and Peter King have been lashing out lately at not only the contract Watson was given, but the decision to lower his base salary to help him avoid paying a significant fine. As it stands, it'll be just around $350,000. Which is a drop in his ocean.

This emerging narrative could see the NFL impose an incredibly significant suspension - not only for the allegations against him, but to make a statement that teams helping players avoid fines will not be tolerated and the NFL won't be made to look weak or unable to punish players. Plus, it's the Browns. We've only recently had the NFL hand down the longest suspension of all time to a player who rightfully didn't deserve it. Goodell hates us.

I wonder if the Browns could start publicly floating the idea of keeping Mayfield. Saying we expect the NFL to be harsh on Watson and we were forced to consider salary cap options in case we don't have a quarterback for most of the season. Dropping Watson's salary certainly would allow for the Browns to carry Baker's contract, and it gives some sense of plausible deniability against the Browns helping a player avoid paying his fines.
 
The league office has no special dislike for the Browns. The narrative by Browns fans about the league being out to screw the browns at any time is why personalities like Cowherd refer to the Browns fan base as low self-esteem fan base
 
Go ask a Raiders fan what the league thinks of them. Make sure you have some time though, you'll be there a while. Oh, bring earplugs as well, it will probably get amplified. Ha!
That's because they're all fucking morons who think they are in some California street gang called "The Raiders" and that the NFL is the police and court system.

Ask a Raiders "fan" to name a player on their team and 99% of them have no clue.
 
The league office has no special dislike for the Browns. The narrative by Browns fans about the league being out to screw the browns at any time is why personalities like Cowherd refer to the Browns fan base as low self-esteem fan base
Coulda fooled me. The baffling part is that the Browns have done everything they could to suck Goodells peepee and yet he still punishes the Browns!
 
The league office has no special dislike for the Browns. The narrative by Browns fans about the league being out to screw the browns at any time is why personalities like Cowherd refer to the Browns fan base as low self-esteem fan base
Wrong my friend.

It's for the clicks. Pure and simple. All fans say the same thing about their teams being especially screwed over more so than other teams.
 
Coulda fooled me. The baffling part is that the Browns have done everything they could to suck Goodells peepee and yet he still punishes the Browns!
What has the league done that is specifically punishment or unfair to the Browns that the other 31 teams would not face?

Goodell serves the whims of the 32 owners. Those are his boss
 
Wrong my friend.

It's for the clicks. Pure and simple. All fans say the same thing about their teams being especially screwed over more so than other teams.
I would agree that all fan bases to some extent do it. But some more than others. Unfortunately the CLE fan base is one who pulls that card more than others. But not as much as say the raiders, which Kegor wisely pointed out
 
I have not thought for one second that the Browns offer to Watson wasn't for anything else than BM gave them an ultimatum and the FO had to go overboard because of that. This BS that the Browns acted on behalf of Watson doesn't fit this FO. This FO is measured in every way to improve the overall talent at each position. Sometimes it doesn't work out as planned. Sometimes they get it wrong. And other times players try to influence decisions and force the FO to react.

I believe BM forced this FO's hand and they reacted the way they did because the team has a lot of talent and they were not going to allow one player to drag the team down.
 
Agree and disagree Jay. I think Mayfield's play and behind the scenes drove them to go QB hunting. But to your point of how this FO has operated I am pretty confident they made that decision well before the season ended
 
I have not thought for one second that the Browns offer to Watson wasn't for anything else than BM gave them an ultimatum and the FO had to go overboard because of that. This BS that the Browns acted on behalf of Watson doesn't fit this FO. This FO is measured in every way to improve the overall talent at each position. Sometimes it doesn't work out as planned. Sometimes they get it wrong. And other times players try to influence decisions and force the FO to react.

I believe BM forced this FO's hand and they reacted the way they did because the team has a lot of talent and they were not going to allow one player to drag the team down.

The Browns offer to Watson was because they watched the LA Rams trade two #1's and more to the Detroit Lions for one of the top QB's in the NFL and it worked...they won a Super Bowl. Goff took the Rams to a Super Bowl and lost. He went to a pro bowl...but the Rams felt he had taken the team as far as he could and he was not capable of winning a Super Bowl...hence they were a QB away. The Browns front office saw that and felt the same way about Baker Mayfield. Luckily for them, an elite QB was available...so they went 'all in' believing that ultimately the Browns were a QB away from the Super Bowl.

I have to go back and find it, but when asked about the deal, one of the Browns players said something to the effect of, "Sometimes you are a Stafford away from a Super Bowl". In other words it wasn't only the Front Office who felt this way...it seems there were a lot of players who felt the same.

One of the reasons we know the front office was not all in on Mayfield was that they started doing their investigation on Watson in November. This wasn't a new idea or quick decision. The Browns have been exploring this trade for a long time. They weren't going to throw Baker out for nothing...but an elite QB was available and they were going to do their due diligence. They don't do that if they believe in Baker.

Point being, nothing Baker did recently was the reason this trade happened. His play on the field and inability to be elite over his time in Cleveland were the only things that 'forced' the FO's hand.
 
I think it's always worth keeping in mind that, in the initial stages, around half of the teams in the NFL were reported to have had interest in Watson. On a pure 1-for-1 basis, there aren't many teams who wouldn't have upgraded the position if they added Watson.

He was a superstar in a bad situation in Houston. He's now in a good situation in Cleveland. So, who knows, but I think it's realistic to say he could find himself in Superbowl and MVP discussions in Cleveland.

Mayfield doesn't even really have to factor in. Even if you think he's good enough to take the team to the promise land, we know Watson is better.
 
His play on the field and inability to be elite over his time in Cleveland were the only things that 'forced' the FO's hand.
I agree with everything except the last line. His inability to lead and not be the "adult in the room", had an impact in some way too. This FO does not favor players fucking around on SM about its business. The leak from the combine about the FO talking to BM and his people. The SM letter to the fans as soon as the FO advised conversations with Watson had begun while he was still a member of the Browns. He literally burned bridges and that's not even accounting for the locker room split surrounding him. The FO wanted a QB that brings a team together not split them into factions.

That and an unquestionable upgrade in talent at the QB position.
 
Watson could easily turn this BS around and he can play the victim role. There would be some support from Browns players I'm sure not to mention league wide support. Not saying it would be good, but I could see him playing the victim role and rallying the team together around him being the victim.
 
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