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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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I think some of this is the other GM's that would consider BM know the situation and are not going all in on him right now. This might take awhile to get BM off the team, but I'm sure it will happen before the season starts. Maybe, with a whole ton of luck, we can dump him on day three of the draft. It's wishful thinking, but I think there's a chance.
 
Controversial statement, but he's too good to not be drawing ANY trade interest. Something deeper must be concerning teams.
Everyone in the NFL knows the Browns have to move Mayfield. Why give even a 6th round pick for him if you have to absorb his salary? The Browns will eventually have to eat his contract and cut him. Then other teams get him for nothing.
 
Everyone in the NFL knows the Browns have to move Mayfield. Why give even a 6th round pick for him if you have to absorb his salary? The Browns will eventually have to eat his contract and cut him. Then other teams get him for nothing.

Maybe, but we have to eat his cap hit no matter what.

If I'm the Browns, I'm paying him $18.8M to sit at home before I pay him $18.8M to be on another roster.
 
Maybe, but we have to eat his cap hit no matter what.

If I'm the Browns, I'm paying him $18.8M to sit at home before I pay him $18.8M to be on another roster.
I wish I could get paid 18.8M to sit at home and do nothing. Poor Baker! At the end of the day, Baker screwed up by trying to play hurt. If he had shut it down and got the surgery after the Texans game, he'd be in a much better position.
 
Maybe it is simple for you, but your assessment is wrong. There are multiple actual NFL talent experts, former players and analysts who have Mayfield's talents higher than some of the guys who have found new homes.

Underachieving as a #1/#1 is not as cut and dry as you wish it was. The guy still came a bad ref call on a helmet to helmet hit, robbing us of a TD from taking the Browns to the AFC championship game.

Something went on in Cleveland that has cooled the jets of a lot of NFL teams, and I am willing to bet it was a failed powerplay on Mayfieds part pitting Stefanski and maybe even Berry against Haslam. Dude, Mayfield is not so bad that teams who don't have a QB are staying away from him. He isn't Tim Couch.

Yeah, we get it, you like Watson. Relax, take a deep breath and sit back down.


Your posts indeed are proof positive that you have no ability to fix stupid. I hereby anoint you Captain Obvious.
You cant pick those statements apart. What i stated was fact. You're an idiot son......
 
Monumentally weird

Here is what I think is plausible. Mayfield went to Haslam, made his case that this is his team, he can play and Stefanski should not be allowed to pull him. I think Stefanski had no choice other than to let Baker sink or swim. Maybe he purposely made it tough for Mayfield to succeed with bad game plans?

Mayfield stinks it up, loses his power struggle, Stefanski pulls his victory card and get this fucking guy out of here.

There is something more than Mayfield's marginal/shitty year coming into play here. There is some behavior this guy engaged in that has chilled 31 other teams. Based on talent alone, he is as good or better than some of the guys who have found new jobs.

We re not likely going to find out for awhile, if ever.
Wow, this really makes sense. Looking back on how things played out in certain games it appears likely. Particularly the game where BM passed all day and sucked and everyone was saying "where's the fucking running game". "Stefanski, what are you doing?"
 
Maybe, but we have to eat his cap hit no matter what.

If I'm the Browns, I'm paying him $18.8M to sit at home before I pay him $18.8M to be on another roster.
I think the NFLPA would file a lawsuit and prevent that from happening, somehow.

Personally, I don't think it is right to fuck with someone's livelihood, future and their life's work. The $18.8 million is most likely lost. If the Browns hate him and don't think he is worth a shit, why make him lose a year of his life, and most likely decline physically before he has a chance to resign with someone. Why should the Browns care where he lands?

WTF is wrong with this world that we always have to cancel someone? I am not accusing you of that, bro, I am just saying in general. It didn't work out, fine, but why fuck with people? Baker Mayfield is immature. Is he a bit weird? Sure, I guess, but who isn't? I can understand people being glad we have a fresh start, but why hate Baker? He did the best he knew how. He didn't purposely hurt anyone.

So what, let's also see how we can go back and fuck with Weeden, Richardson, Green, Couch et. al. because they didn't pan out?

I am still pulling for the kid. (Trophy-HillBilly this does not mean I think he is a great QB, it means I wish him the best in his post Browns life).
 
Wow, this really makes sense. Looking back on how things played out in certain games it appears likely. Particularly the game where BM passed all day and sucked and everyone was saying "where's the fucking running game". "Stefanski, what are you doing?"
As the founder of more than one start-up company, I can tell you first hand that the reports we gave to the public seldom were what really went on. Given that the NFL higher ups have repeatedly embraced dog abusers, womanizers, drunks, and sexual offenders, I think it is naive to think that Mayfield's outward antics are why nobody is jumping at him.

Hate him or love him, nobody really knows what the true Mayfield looks like. Through money and contracts into this and guys like us really are out in the dark trying to make sense of it. I just think there is more to this clusterfuck than we know.
 
His ego allegedly was not just a problem on the field, but also in the locker room and in the building as well. Everyone was sick of it.
You know that I spoke of my hate for it early on. I am still with you, and really looking forward to a new look and a new QB. The team and everyone else needed this. Mayfield really became a bucket of rotting shit. We all needed a flush. I still think there is more to his demise than what we know.
 
I think you are being a bit soft. Or hoping that we release Baker so the Steelers can snap him up and you can laugh at us. 😆

We sit on him because at some point a team is going to come off of a commodity for him. We don't have to give him away, and why should we? Nobody is crying for Baker and his 18 million he is making this year for being a bad QB. I don't even think he is, he is a lazy fuck, he is probably enjoying the hell out of it. He finally got that huge payday. His plastic Instagram wife is thrilled.


Did you guys see he just hired Mahomes QB coach? After 4 years of refusing, what a piece of shit. 🤣
 
I think you are being a bit soft. Or hoping that we release Baker so the Steelers can snap him up and you can laugh at us. 😆

We sit on him because at some point a team is going to come off of a commodity for him. We don't have to give him away, and why should we? Nobody is crying for Baker and his 18 million he is making this year for being a bad QB. I don't even think he is, he is a lazy fuck, he is probably enjoying the hell out of it. He finally got that huge payday. His plastic Instagram wife is thrilled.


Did you guys see he just hired Mahomes QB coach? After 4 years of refusing, what a piece of shit. 🤣

The Steelers front office apparently laughed at the idea of them acquiring Mayfield. They are too professional of an organization...his schtick doesn't fit.

I really don't care where he ends up; I don't think he will be become and an elite QB anywhere.

RE: The new QB coach - Will he help him see over the OL or stop acting like a petulant child?
 
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