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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Especially when he didn't have as much choice as you're suggesting.
as Im suggesting? did you not see him say it was 100% up to him If he played or not?
you say "stats" like its nothing,Its these guys bread and butter.to us its stats to them its $$,career,HOF Its everything.
Ive never seen a player do that before.theres prolly much more behind the scenes.If you extrapolate his personality Its not hard to imagine.
 
The conspiracy theory going around Twitter is that AB did all this knowing Cleveland had no chance to get DW ...to rip the Baker bandaid off so to speak, and let fans know where they stand.

Going back through this thread its honestly stunning how right I was about everything.

So the great news is ....Baker is gone, and we can upgrade the QB position without losing much of anything.
 
The conspiracy theory going around Twitter is that AB did all this knowing Cleveland had no chance to get DW ...to rip the Baker bandaid off so to speak, and let fans know where they stand.

Going back through this thread its honestly stunning how right I was about everything.

So the great news is ....Baker is gone, and we can upgrade the QB position without losing much of anything.
Where do we go? Jimmy G? I’m not against him really. Ranked 7th in passer rating and 12th in QBR if I remember correctly.
 
I wouldn't mind giving him a run if the price is right. Has Fitzmagic been signed yet? Pretty much anyone is an upgrade from last season
Everyone should be an upgrade from an injured quarterback. If the problem was just needing to upgrade a broken Baker, then no problem.

But the issue is finding a franchise quarterback. A guy who can take this team all the way while the roster is competitive.

The fact anyone is giddy at the thought Fitzpatrick is the answer to our quarterback question is a painful reminder that this season is going to hit our fans so damn hard.

We’ve experienced two decades of instability at quarterback. It blows my mind anyone thinks this situation is a fucking “Anyone will do” kind of day. Not anyone will do. Wanting the quarterbacks nobody else wants and thinking it’s progress is just so Browns.

This sucks. Hard.
 
This sucks. Hard.
no.the browns are right.we do need an adult under centre.bakers an average QB at best.move on.
wake up. do you think we're going to win in this division with fu^king #6? we were looking at another .500 year with baker.
angry about this? blame ya big mouth "im off social media" fu&king baker boy for it. immature is his prime requisite
he just cannot leave well enough alone can he? come on man ,we all knew he would react.so predictable.It just confirmed what the browns suspected.hes a kid in a mens league.dont let the door hit yo ass on the way out.

 
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no.the browns are right.we do need an adult under centre.bakers an average QB at best.move on.
wake up. do you think we're going to win in this division with fu^king #6? we were looking at another .500 year with baker.
angry about this? blame ya big mouth "im off social media" fu&king baker boy for it. immature is his prime requisite
he just cannot leave well enough alone can he? come on man ,we all knew he would react.so predictable.It just confirmed what the browns suspected.hes a kid in a mens league.dont let the door hit yo ass on the way out.


You’re really that triggered he thanked the fans and city for their support? That’s the immaturity you’ve been crying about for the last 48 hours.

Either Baker is fucking your mother or you’re just pathologically obsessed with the guy.

I think you’re just pissed he put out a statement which was literate.
 
Your all right and wrong.
Our ownership is an atrocity. Morally bankrupt people, the days of a team brought together by hardwork etc. is long gone.

im tired of thinking it’s the ‘next guy’
But we blew our #1 pick on guy who can’t see over his line. It’s really that simple.
AFC football will chew you up and spit you out, it takes more than moxy lol and college accolades.
 
Either Baker is fucking your mother
getting personal there buddy.and Im triggered? you seem...distraught. It wasn't me who said "we need an adult at QB" it was the browns who blew this up and your mad cracker nephew. LMFAO! crying? no,Im laughing my ass off.byebye baker boyz!
now pack bakers bags and fu^&k off with him to indy!
 
Your all right and wrong.
Our ownership is an atrocity. Morally bankrupt people, the days of a team brought together by hardwork etc. is long gone.

im tired of thinking it’s the ‘next guy’
But we blew our #1 pick on guy who can’t see over his line. It’s really that simple.
AFC football will chew you up and spit you out, it takes more than moxy lol and college accolades.
The Baker pick by any and all accounts was all Dorsey
 
The bottom line is Baker sucks. When we got him to stop throwing passes we were able to win during the covid season although we only beat 3 teams with winning records.

Watson is our lone chance to land a FQB. Otherwise we need someone who can read a defense and hit timing routes on Q. See how far that takes us. Likely not far enough. We are in the situation I have been talking about for years. Baker isnt good enough, and the team isn't bad enough to get us where we need to be in the draft to get a FQB. So we are royally fucked until we break it all back down and build it back up again. I'll likely be dead by then, and BDU will be greying. I knew it when we drafted Baker, and I tried hard to get on board ...but during season 2 it was obvious. Now here we are and boy do I wish I was wrong. Allen, Mahomes, Watson, all could have been ours.

Bottom line, our ownership is trash. They hire trash beta cunts who are willing to be yes men. Guys like McDaniels have no place here because they want to do it their way, not the Haslam, beta cuck, baseball guy/bean counter type of way. A yes man here, a diversity hire there. Appease the NFL at all costs and wonder why we just can't seem to get anything fucking right. I've said it 100 times and I'll say it again. Fuck the Haslams.
 
getting personal there buddy.and Im triggered? you seem...distraught. It wasn't me who said "we need an adult at QB" it was the browns who blew this up and your mad cracker nephew. LMFAO! crying? no,Im laughing my ass off.byebye baker boyz!
now pack bakers bags and fu^&k off with him to indy!
BDU is far from a Baker boy. Perhaps supportive to a fault, with occasional fan blinders, but far from a Baker boy. I still owe bdu a reply somewhere on this, but I think at the core BDU stance is you don't get rid of a QB that's capable of starting for NFL team unless you got a valid replacement option. A Fitz is not that.
 
BDU is far from a Baker boy. Perhaps supportive to a fault, with occasional fan blinders, but far from a Baker boy. I still owe bdu a reply somewhere on this, but I think at the core BDU stance is you don't get rid of a QB that's capable of starting for NFL team unless you got a valid replacement option. A Fitz is not that.
Correct.

I am fine with moving on from Baker if we were landing Wilson or Watson.

The problem is we’re moving on from Baker with the 13th pick in a bad QB draft and no viable sign or trade options.

I don’t see a viable plan for how to move on. Moving on for the sake of moving on isn’t something I will applaud. That’s amateur.

I’m far more upset with the lack of strategy than I am the loss of Baker - although I think he is better than he gets credit for from a frustrated fan base.
 
I don't think he is good at all. Great arm.

I will say if we manage to replace him with a guy who has enough arm and the ability to read a defense well, I think many will be surprised at just how much better we look. Baker couldn't see most of the field, and the part he could see he didn't read well.

It will be interesting to watch unfold. I hope.
 
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