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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Tom Brady is back, and it sounds like the Browns are out on Watson. Busy day.

So far, apparently only the Saints and Panthers have actually offered trades for Watson. I feel like if the Browns were really interested, it's not something you're going to sit and wait on.
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Or they made their pitch and are waiting?

Who knows but that's always risky. To let a player meet with competing teams, in a landscape where things can move very quickly.

Depends on the situation. If Watson is indeed interested in meeting with every interested team, then it makes sense to wait, but I feel like in these situations we typically see teams want to get deals done as quickly as possible.
 
Wow, people are honestly sitting there with baited breath waiting to see if we downgrade the QB position by throwing away multiple firsts and Mayfield for a mediocre QB who is only worried about padding his stats, oh and who is also a habitual sexual predator that goes to massage parlors and forces himself on women.

That's not even taking into account he is also a racist shit bag who demanded the Texans fire their entire Front Office and only hire members of the privileged class as the replacements. Which would mean byebye Stefcuckski after this season. Not that Berry would mind, that is without a doubt the only reason he wants to throw away the Browns future for a deviant scumbag, they are of like minds.

Fuck that, the Browns better not be seriously trying to make a trade. If they are Haslams needs to fly in and fire Berry on the fucking spot. But hey if they do at least y'all will be rid of me, I won't be cheering for a team lead by a sexual predator.
 
Wow, people are honestly sitting there with baited breath waiting to see if we downgrade the QB position by throwing away multiple firsts and Mayfield for a mediocre QB who is only worried about padding his stats, oh and who is also a habitual sexual predator that goes to massage parlors and forces himself on women.

That's not even taking into account he is also a racist shit bag who demanded the Texans fire their entire Front Office and only hire members of the privileged class as the replacements. Which would mean byebye Stefcuckski after this season. Not that Berry would mind, that is without a doubt the only reason he wants to throw away the Browns future for a deviant scumbag, they are of like minds.

Fuck that, the Browns better not be seriously trying to make a trade. If they are Haslams needs to fly in and fire Berry on the fucking spot. But hey if they do at least y'all will be rid of me, I won't be cheering for a team lead by a sexual predator.
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Latest rumours suggest Watson will cost three firsts and at least two seconds, plus additional picks and players to get the deal over the line. The New Orleans Saints are the frontrunners, according to Allbright, and could include Ryan Ramczyk in their package.

Two other interesting tidbits from Allbright:

- Watson won't play in a cold-weather city.
- Houston don't want to trade Watson in the division.

Another interesting thing I saw floating around - Carolina are prepared to hand Watson power, including allowing him to have a voice in picking the next coach. I honestly don't get that one. Rodgers and Brady have that kind of voice, and I feel they've rightfully earned it. Watson, on the other hand, I don't think he has.

The cost just blows my mind. Handing over three years worth of premium draft picks, multiple star players and letting him make sweeping organisational decisions is just too rich for me.

I'm not surprised we're hearing the Browns aren't all in.
 
Latest rumours suggest Watson will cost three firsts and at least two seconds, plus additional picks and players to get the deal over the line. The New Orleans Saints are the frontrunners, according to Allbright, and could include Ryan Ramczyk in their package.

Two other interesting tidbits from Allbright:

- Watson won't play in a cold-weather city.
- Houston don't want to trade Watson in the division.

Another interesting thing I saw floating around - Carolina are prepared to hand Watson power, including allowing him to have a voice in picking the next coach. I honestly don't get that one. Rodgers and Brady have that kind of voice, and I feel they've rightfully earned it. Watson, on the other hand, I don't think he has.

The cost just blows my mind. Handing over three years worth of premium draft picks, multiple star players and letting him make sweeping organisational decisions is just too rich for me.

I'm not surprised we're hearing the Browns aren't all in.
Ok.
Dont sweat it, it is just a prediction from some guy.
We will soon see if and what the team has to pay.
The Texans might go for a fullback, a conditional 6th and a bag of footballs for all we know.
 
Ok.
Dont sweat it, it is just a prediction from some guy.
We will soon see if and what the team has to pay.
The Texans might go for a fullback, a conditional 6th and a bag of footballs for all we know.

This is especially true given Watson has a no-trade clause. If he has his heart set on a team, he could refuse to waive the cause for everyone but that team.

That will bring down his value. Certainly not down to nothing, otherwise the Texans will just again refuse to trade him, but it's entirely possible they could have to settle for less than is currently being projected.
 
Okay, I know I'm annoying people with this but it will all be over soon.

According to Rapoport:

- Market for Watson is heating up.
- A decision is expected prior to the official beginning of free agency, on the 16th.
- Saints and Panthers have made "strong" offers. Other teams still in it, but right now it is all about those two and Watson will be speaking with them.
- Believed to be three first rounders and potentially more.
 
Okay, I know I'm annoying people with this but it will all be over soon.

According to Rapoport:

- Market for Watson is heating up.
- A decision is expected prior to the official beginning of free agency, on the 16th.
- Saints and Panthers have made "strong" offers. Other teams still in it, but right now it is all about those two and Watson will be speaking with them.
- Believed to be three first rounders and potentially more.

Not annoying me man. Appreciate the updates.
 
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