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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Maybe they sign a vet like Matty Ice... But in my mind... Matty Ice makes sense for Pittsburgh...
Ryan is under contract for two more years. If Falcons trade him before June 1 they would take a hit of 40.5M in dead cap space for the year. If post June 1 it's 25M hit in dead cap space for the year. I don't see Ryan moving anywhere this year
 
Not sure I'd call Lock, tight end Fant, defensive lineman Harris, two first-round picks (2022 -- No. 9 overall -- and 2023), two second-round picks (2022 -- No. 40 overall -- and 2023) and a 2022 fifth-round selection to the Seahawks for Wilson and a 2022 fourth-rounder a bag of peanuts.
I knew it would be you hahahahahahahaha. Hyperbole. The point was we could have easily beat that offer and should have. Goodbye Superbowl window.
 
I knew it would be you hahahahahahahaha. Hyperbole. The point was we could have easily beat that offer and should have. Goodbye Superbowl window.
Only if Wilson would wave his no trade clause to come to CLE. And why would he? No WR to throw to, and no draft picks to get one of the guys in this draft class. Wilson dictated where Wilson wanted to go.
 
Wentz being traded to the Commandos!

When two teams have paid the money they have, the amounts of money they have eaten, and used 1st round picks to acquire a player, and that player has been traded twice.... That about tells you what you need to know about that player. Even more so if he is a QB.
 
Only if Wilson would wave his no trade clause to come to CLE. And why would he? No WR to throw to, and no draft picks to get one of the guys in this draft class. Wilson dictated where Wilson wanted to go.
Not only that Wilsons wife wants to rebrand her business and didn't want to do it in Cleveland, so.. I'm sure she had a big say in this...
 
There's a video of Jameson Williams floating around catching passes while balancing on one of those wobbling rehab boards. ESPN reported he met with teams at the combine to show off the knee stability. He's apparently walking without crutches or a knee brace for the last two weeks. By all accounts, he's ahead of schedule.

Despite all the optimistic talk, he's not going to be ready for the season. But I feel like we're talking about a guy who could have easily been drafted long before 13 if he was healthy. Do we pass that up just because he might not be ready to hit the field until the second half of his rookie season?

I wonder if he's still legitimately in play for us. I feel like we wrote him off because of a "win now" mentality, but if we are able to grab a guy like Chark or Kirk, I think he and DPJ could easily hold down the fort until Williams could be eased back in.
 
Only if Wilson would wave his no trade clause to come to CLE. And why would he? No WR to throw to, and no draft picks to get one of the guys in this draft class. Wilson dictated where Wilson wanted to go.
Nobody knows he didn't want to come to Cleveland. They will say what they say when they choose a team. Denver is a shit city. I mean we only have a top 3 OL and a top 3 RB and two good TEs, I can't imagine why he would want to come here. Plus him signing would immediately put us in play for any WR we want in FA. DPJ and our other nobodies would suddenly become gods with Wilson throwing to them. No, it was most certainly incompetence on the Browns part because the Haslem's aren't willing to give up on shorty. 1 hundy.
 
Nobody knows he didn't want to come to Cleveland. They will say what they say when they choose a team. Denver is a shit city. I mean we only have a top 3 OL and a top 3 RB and two good TEs, I can't imagine why he would want to come here. Plus him signing would immediately put us in play for any WR we want in FA. DPJ and our other nobodies would suddenly become gods with Wilson throwing to them. No, it was most certainly incompetence on the Browns part because the Haslem's aren't willing to give up on shorty. 1 hundy.
Denver is far from a shitty city. But to each their own.

If I was Wilson I would not want to go to a team on the hopes that a team could sign a FA WR of top caliber. That's putting a lot to chance. Also Wilson is a QB who fancy himself a slinger so he likely did not want to go somewhere that would be all about giving it to a back (and the kid in Denver is no slouch).

Wilson has not shown himself to be a QB who takes average wr and makes them look great
 
I'm not sure we have the draft capital to compete with Seattle or Carolina, but it's going to be interesting.

I don't know how to feel about it. Hell of a quarterback, but the allegations are deeply concerning. We'd really be selling our souls if there is even just some truth to it.
 
The Draft Network reporting the Browns have been aggressive in targeting Watson and are "incredibly interested." With the Cooper trade, we've seemingly got everything he wants. A solid coach, a great OL, and now an elite WR.

I just feel it's going to be really hard for another team to offer a more attractive situation.

If we get Watson, my next move would be cutting Mack Wilson. I'm so done with the whole attacking team mates and sub-tweeting. This culture of players publicly disrespecting their own team mates has got to end. It's not okay and the organisation needs to make that clear.
 
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