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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Wow. Here's an interesting bit of information on Baker:

"I think it was Mike Tomlin, who after the Halloween debacle, basically said the same thing, about how the whole plan was to keep Mayfield in the pocket. Tomlin’s been saying that since Mayfield’s rookie year, though."

Tomlin!
Whahahhahahahahahahhahahahaha.
Remember when he was outcoached when we didnt even have a head coach on the sidelines?
How long did it take this genius to figure out this magnificent plan?
 
fu&k tomlin, but its true.baker (for whatever reason) has real vision problems downfield.just watch the tape.
for his best production he needs to be rolled out or throw around the middle of the field.
baker throwing from the pocket outside the numbers is a rarity.thats why we need specific players for him in this draft.
posters like to treat baker like a pocket QB and draft players like hes a pocket QB.it wont work.he'll never be a true pocket player. I dont feel great going into '22 with baker,I think teams have his number and hes going to get hit a lot. I hope hes in the weight room right now.we just tagged njoku now what do we do with hooper?
 
I don't believe Tomlin is a great coach, but at the same time he's very competent and can look at the data to see what BM's weak points are as easily as you and me. It isn't rocket science.

I've said similar in other posts. Baker needs to stand tall in the pocket and make throws. Well, as tall as he can. I'd consider giving him shoes that are two inches thick in the soles to get him just a bit higher. Not crazy like the old Kiss shoes, but just a bit of a bump for him. Most importantly is getting his timing right in his head. Rid him of holding the ball too long, but if he chooses to hold the ball, he has to do that from the pocket and not bail out. This is as a training or developmental situation to get him to a better place so he's comfortable in the pocket for at least 3 seconds. After that he has to decide and throw. If he doesn't, he gets a boot in the ass. Hypothetically of course but, it should be from KS, AVP or the QB coach. His timing is AFU.
 
I agree on lift
Shoes 👠

can you imagine the press after it leaks out….

seriously it’s not a bad idea, we spent a first round pick on an undersized qb.

the afc central is not very forgiving…
 
I don't believe Tomlin is a great coach, but at the same time he's very competent and can look at the data to see what BM's weak points are as easily as you and me. It isn't rocket science.

I've said similar in other posts. Baker needs to stand tall in the pocket and make throws. Well, as tall as he can. I'd consider giving him shoes that are two inches thick in the soles to get him just a bit higher. Not crazy like the old Kiss shoes, but just a bit of a bump for him. Most importantly is getting his timing right in his head. Rid him of holding the ball too long, but if he chooses to hold the ball, he has to do that from the pocket and not bail out. This is as a training or developmental situation to get him to a better place so he's comfortable in the pocket for at least 3 seconds. After that he has to decide and throw. If he doesn't, he gets a boot in the ass. Hypothetically of course but, it should be from KS, AVP or the QB coach. His timing is AFU.
Drew Brees did alright... Mayfield can get better...
 
Looks like Wilson is going to Denver.
 
Not sure I'd call Lock, tight end Fant, defensive lineman Harris, two first-round picks (2022 -- No. 9 overall -- and 2023), two second-round picks (2022 -- No. 40 overall -- and 2023) and a 2022 fifth-round selection to the Seahawks for Wilson and a 2022 fourth-rounder a bag of peanuts.
 
Interesting to wonder what Seattle will do at quarterback. I think it's safe to say they don't view Lock as their guy.

I'll wonder out loud if the massive haul of picks is used to try and grab Deshaun Watson. The grand duty could decide not to indict him as early as Friday.
 
Interesting to wonder what Seattle will do at quarterback. I think it's safe to say they don't view Lock as their guy.

I'll wonder out loud if the massive haul of picks is used to try and grab Deshaun Watson. The grand duty could decide not to indict him as early as Friday.
Maybe they sign a vet like Matty Ice... But in my mind... Matty Ice makes sense for Pittsburgh...
 
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