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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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mariotta? why not.Id give him the backup job too.wentz aint free though is he? he'd cost what?15-20 million? for a backup? no thanks.trubisky? why not get him in camp.Id'rather any 3 of these guys vs a rookie TBH.mariotta would be my pick.
 
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Im not too concerned about Wentz. Im concerned as a lifelong Browns fan i will never see a Superbowl with the Browns as the victor. Especially with Mayfield as qb

I feel you. I just recently turned 31. Sounds young enough, but I first logged on to this forum in the lead up to the 2010 draft. We've since won a single playoff game.

Maybe Baker can't win us a Superbowl. Maybe he proves next season that he's not the guy. But I don't see how guys like Carson Wentz, Mitchell Trubisky or Marcus Mariota bring us any closer to a superbowl. If anything, I think they're a genuine step backwards at quarterback.

I think we've seen enough from him to at least see what he has in his 5th year. Despite an extremely turbulent situation with coaching overhaul, the pandemic restricting practices and the injury he sustained this past season, he's certainly flashed. His rookie season and 2019 were no joke, and he looked the goods.

I don't think it hurts us to give it another year to find out what Mayfield can do unless we can find a clear cut upgrade at the position. But until then, I just don't get how anyone can think a guy like Wentz would bring us any closer to the promise land.
 
I simply think Wentz showed most of last season he is on the way back. His team had the worst defense in the 4th quarter in the league. I think his primary issue is confidence. A case of the yips maybe. I think there is a chance he gets back to his top form. Maybe not. But if signed cheap.off the streets I am willing to take a look

Mariotta and Trubisky both blow.
 
well,for me Id want those guys as a backup only.mayfeild still gets his chance in '22.

Depends on the price. I'm in favour of a new backup if he's cost effective.

I think it's like $7.1M we can save if we cut Case Keenum, so the possibility is there. Personally, I liked what I saw from Nick Mullens more than from what I saw of Case Keenum. I thought he played a nice game against the Raiders under an extremely difficult circumstance.

Trubisky, for example, is coming off a one year, $2.5M deal. So if we could save money there, it's something the team will likely consider.

Unless, of course, Keenum is open to a contract renegotiation. While I'm not a huge fan, he has value has a veteran voice.
 
I noticed Dan Jeremiah's latest mock draft doesn't have a QB coming off the board until 18 (Pickett to Saints) and only Willis (20, Steelers) joins him in being drafted in the first.

Senior bowl tends to be the time analysts gain a more accurate understanding of where quarterbacks will be picked. The combine is going to be interesting because both Pickett and Willis could fall. Pickett if his hands aren't where teams want (He refused the measurements at the combine, which reinforced concerns they'll come in at under 9 inches - apparently the kind of magic number you need), and Willis if he doesn't have a great combine all around. He's got the biggest learning curve, so I feel like he's going to have to show off on all fronts. be consistent throwing, time well athletically and impress teams when they inevitably start talking scheme and coverages.

Which, while I'm down on the quarterbacks, is the worst case scenario for us. Ideally I want four or five to come off the board early so talent falls to us.
 
I noticed Dan Jeremiah's latest mock draft doesn't have a QB coming off the board until 18 (Pickett to Saints) and only Willis (20, Steelers) joins him in being drafted in the first.

Senior bowl tends to be the time analysts gain a more accurate understanding of where quarterbacks will be picked. The combine is going to be interesting because both Pickett and Willis could fall. Pickett if his hands aren't where teams want (He refused the measurements at the combine, which reinforced concerns they'll come in at under 9 inches - apparently the kind of magic number you need), and Willis if he doesn't have a great combine all around. He's got the biggest learning curve, so I feel like he's going to have to show off on all fronts. be consistent throwing, time well athletically and impress teams when they inevitably start talking scheme and coverages.

Which, while I'm down on the quarterbacks, is the worst case scenario for us. Ideally I want four or five to come off the board early so talent falls to us.


Here's the kicker on this... And we know once in a blue moon... A kid just comes out of nowhere.. Something I call the Michael Jordan/Tom Brady Effect... Whereby your numbers arent all that great or standout in College.. But you enter the pros and light up the sky... And with our shitass luck... Shittspuke pulls a rabbit out of their ass and get their guy...

There is always that percentile of players that somehow fall through the cracks.. I put Josh Cribbs in that group.. He was an UDFA. Another example is Otto Graham... He was a Running Back in college and High School.. Paul Brown had the vision to convert him to the QB pos... And the rest as they say is history...
 
Here's the kicker on this... And we know once in a blue moon... A kid just comes out of nowhere.. Something I call the Michael Jordan/Tom Brady Effect... Whereby your numbers arent all that great or standout in College.. But you enter the pros and light up the sky... And with our shitass luck... Shittspuke pulls a rabbit out of their ass and get their guy...

There is always that percentile of players that somehow fall through the cracks.. I put Josh Cribbs in that group.. He was an UDFA. Another example is Otto Graham... He was a Running Back in college and High School.. Paul Brown had the vision to convert him to the QB pos... And the rest as they say is history...

Michael Jordan? What? Michael Jordan was a standout in college...big time.
 
Michael Jordan? What? Michael Jordan was a standout in college...big time.
I never heard of him until he was drafted by the bulls... But I knew who Len Bias and Ralph Sampson was... Because if I'm not mistaken.. I always heard stuff like Dean Smith ran a pretty much a vanilla scheme that under utilized the talent... At least... That was the knock I heard about him several times...
 
I never heard of him until he was drafted by the bulls... But I knew who Len Bias and Ralph Sampson was... Because if I'm not mistaken.. I always heard stuff like Dean Smith ran a pretty much a vanilla scheme that under utilized the talent... At least... That was the knock I heard about him several times...

Michael Jordan, UNC 1981-82 season through 1983-84 season.

- ACC Rookie of the year (1982)
- Made the game winning shot in the 1982 National Championship game.
- 1st-Team All-ACC (1983, 1984)
- 2 time Consensus 1st-Team All-American (1983, 1984)
- 2 time USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (1983, 1984)
- National College Player of the year (1984)

- #3 pick overall in the 1984 draft

Jordan was an absolute star in college; but you never heard of him until he was drafted by the Bulls? Then you didn't know jack shit about college basketball.
 
Michael Jordan, UNC 1981-82 season through 1983-84 season.

- ACC Rookie of the year (1982)
- Made the game winning shot in the 1982 National Championship game.
- 1st-Team All-ACC (1983, 1984)
- 2 time Consensus 1st-Team All-American (1983, 1984)
- 2 time USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (1983, 1984)
- National College Player of the year (1984)

- #3 pick overall in the 1984 draft

Jordan was an absolute star in college; but you never heard of him until he was drafted by the Bulls? Then you didn't know jack shit about college basketball.
I didn't care much about college b-ball and still don't...
 
jordan? perhaps not the best example but we get the point right?
how bout kurt warner,warren moon,lou groza,john randle (too small) tony romo,james harrison,travis kelce even aaron donald who was drafted at #13 but his college stats dont stand out.he looks to be one of the best DT's ever (If not the best)
plenty to choose from there and yeah the GD steelers have a knack with the draft and acquiring players that sometimes defy logic.I thought the devin bush trade up was a huge mistake..not so much.then the minkah trade looked a bomb.an the kid balls out.they defiantly have a horseshoe up dey ass.somebitches.
Shittspuke pulls a rabbit out of their ass and get their guy...
yeah It'd be our luck they trade up to draft willis (which we all LOL at) and the kid runs for 1,000.that could happen.
will the QB's draft stock fall? I dont see that.yeah jeremiah and mcshay both have zero QB's going in the top 10.I just think FOMO is going to kick in and we'll see 3 QB's drafted in the top 12ish.4-5 will go in the 1st rd.theres just too many teams who have no QB.theres around 11 @ a third of the NFL teams need fresh blood under centre.pure need will rule the day IMO.
 
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