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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Here's the kicker on this... And we know once in a blue moon... A kid just comes out of nowhere.. Something I call the Michael Jordan/Tom Brady Effect... Whereby your numbers arent all that great or standout in College.. But you enter the pros and light up the sky... And with our shitass luck... Shittspuke pulls a rabbit out of their ass and get their guy...

There is always that percentile of players that somehow fall through the cracks.. I put Josh Cribbs in that group.. He was an UDFA. Another example is Otto Graham... He was a Running Back in college and High School.. Paul Brown had the vision to convert him to the QB pos... And the rest as they say is history...

That's always the kicker, isn't it. It's what makes the draft so much fun. It's like buying a lottery ticket. Sure, the chances of winning are so small. But maybe, just maybe, the winning ticket will be mine.

I just feel like it's important to be more methodical with the first round selection. Play the odds. Don't overthink it.

I know we need a receiver and a pass rusher. I know this is an excellent draft for both. Let's not go chasing the one in a million when two common sense selections could greatly help to make this program better right now, and get us right back on the path of being a competitive football team.
 
That's always the kicker, isn't it. It's what makes the draft so much fun. It's like buying a lottery ticket. Sure, the chances of winning are so small. But maybe, just maybe, the winning ticket will be mine.

I just feel like it's important to be more methodical with the first round selection. Play the odds. Don't overthink it.

I know we need a receiver and a pass rusher. I know this is an excellent draft for both. Let's not go chasing the one in a million when two common sense selections could greatly help to make this program better right now, and get us right back on the path of being a competitive football team.
Agreed!
 
That's always the kicker, isn't it. It's what makes the draft so much fun. It's like buying a lottery ticket. Sure, the chances of winning are so small. But maybe, just maybe, the winning ticket will be mine.

I just feel like it's important to be more methodical with the first round selection. Play the odds. Don't overthink it.

I know we need a receiver and a pass rusher. I know this is an excellent draft for both. Let's not go chasing the one in a million when two common sense selections could greatly help to make this program better right now, and get us right back on the path of being a competitive football team.
Agreed and I'd add the second round too. The top 50ish (64) and this FO does it's best to get excellent value in the second round. It's why in this draft I've said we could get the top DT if this FO thinks a guy is worthy of it at 13. This FO rates the pass rusher position higher than DT or WR unless Depodesta updated their organizational outline.

 
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If we want a starting NFL DT we must trade up into the 2nd rd ala the JOK trade last year AND get lucky(like the song)
after davis and mahtis the talent drops off a cliff. the browns dont rate DT highly so I dont see that happening
we should look to FA to fill this spot.Id really like to see richardson welcomed back to the CB.pair him with whoever.
yeah hes 31 but hes cheap.we'd get him on a 1 year @3 mill deal.problem solved.
 
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He should've agreed to an extension when he had the chance. He was overpaid here. A LOT. He went from 12 mil to 3.6 mil when he might've been able to work 6 mil for the next two years by staying here. Now he's 31 years old. He can play, but meh. Get a younger guy with upside, pay him on the cheap and see if can improve his game. Richardson ain't. He only started seven games in Minnesota last year.

Togiai is already here btw. Keep developing him.

Sheldon Richardson
 
Same old, same old. Primarily just confirmation of what has already been presumed/discussed. Seems that there's not any chance of CLE seriously considering QB this draft. If they do, I'll be surprised if it's before the 4th round. Other needy teams might take the bait and overdraft depending on who impresses in the combine. QB shopping in free agency seems more likely for Berry/Depo/Stef.
 
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He should've agreed to an extension when he had the chance. He was overpaid here. A LOT. He went from 12 mil to 3.6 mil when he might've been able to work 6 mil for the next two years by staying here. Now he's 31 years old. He can play, but meh. Get a younger guy with upside, pay him on the cheap and see if can improve his game. Richardson ain't. He only started seven games in Minnesota last year.

Togiai is already here btw. Keep developing him.

Sheldon Richardson


I have a hard time believing Joe Woods could develop anyone...
 
I think this staff has developed AJ Green to a competent backup behind Ward, Newsome and Hill. Also MJ Stewart as the third safety played very well and maybe Jacob Phillips. Maybe on Phillips because the guy plays a few games and misses chunks of the season injured. Also the tackling has improved from last season.

In the new NFL, the tackling is hard to improve when the staff doesn't get these guys enough time doing it for fear of injury. For me if they're that fragile then you need to find out for yourself.
 
I think this staff has developed AJ Green to a competent backup behind Ward, Newsome and Hill. Also MJ Stewart as the third safety played very well and maybe Jacob Phillips. Maybe on Phillips because the guy plays a few games and misses chunks of the season injured. Also the tackling has improved from last season.

In the new NFL, the tackling is hard to improve when the staff doesn't get these guys enough time doing it for fear of injury. For me if they're that fragile then you need to find out for yourself.
Thats why they're getting injured.. not enough contact.. Its the same with pitchers in baseball.. They don't get enough pitches... Pitching is so specialized now it makes me sick... I am now officially calling myself a Reds fan... Fuck Doh'lan!
 
things like to be used.I just blew the dust off a couple of ol gaming consoles I had in storage and guess what? both dont work.
just like cars and electronics bodies like to be used,they dont work so well with too much rest.Its true.just liike playoff teams with a bye..I guess thats why they call it a bye.bye!
 


Pretty strong endorsement of a Mayfield 2022 campaign. I still think it's possible we chase a Rodgers or Watson, but only a high profile name.
 
obviously as a backup, jeez hes only worth a 6th rd pick.
the above vid is a big reason Im not getting excited about these rookie WR's.we had one of the best 6 ft 200 pound players in the NFL.
 
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