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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Has Wentz directed any comeback wins? Has he beaten good teams on the reg? I don't know because I don't follow him, but I'm getting the sense that this past year it's not been much better than BM.
Not sure but i do know Mayfield cannot come from behind and win in the 4th, or win against winning teams. Way too many short comings.
 
Baker couldn't sniff those stats. Wentz wasn't just good, he was great the majority of the season. At the end he shit the bed, but many other factors involved.

Without Higgins and Chase? That has to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever read. lol wow. Burrows throws dimes downfield with ease with one of the worst OLs in the league. In year 2. Baker wouldn't even see them let alone pass it to them.
Yeah these things are pretty dumb. We've done this for BM too. The last eight games of 2020 he was something like a top five QB. Now you have a similar thing for Wentz. And somebody will adjust something else to get crazy stats for other players both positive and negative.
 
I'm noticing a trend. Once again, nobody said that.

Carson Wentz is better than Baker Mayfield and could potentially be had for next to nothing. That's the current state of affairs.
I definitely would not be disappointed if Wentz was on our roster.
The injuries are a very big concern though.
I still think BM can be effective if he utilizes some 2-3” lifts in his cleats.
Or the offense recognizes he can’t see downfield and runs the damn ball!
 
Not sure but i do know Mayfield cannot come from behind and win in the 4th, or win against winning teams. Way too many short comings.

4th Q, game within 7 points - 127.3 passer rating vs 83.5 passer rating.
Final two minutes of half - 110.4 passer rating vs 77 passer rating.
When trailing - 103.7 passer rating vs 83.6 passer rating.
4th Q - 91.9 passer rating vs 89.4 passer rating.
Margin of victory within 7 points - 117 passer rating vs 93.8 passer rating.

Guess which one is 2021 Wentz and which one is 2020 Mayfield.

Hint - The Colts are planning to release Carson Wentz if they cannot find a trade partner
 
4th Q, game within 7 points - 127.3 passer rating vs 83.5 passer rating.
Final two minutes of half - 110.4 passer rating vs 77 passer rating.
When trailing - 103.7 passer rating vs 83.6 passer rating.
4th Q - 91.9 passer rating vs 89.4 passer rating.
Margin of victory within 7 points - 117 passer rating vs 93.8 passer rating.

Guess which one is 2021 Wentz and which one is 2020 Mayfield.

Hint - The Colts are planning to release Carson Wentz if they cannot find a trade partner
Because Wentz is PURE SHIT... Would rather ride with Mayfield than that loser...
 
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4th Q, game within 7 points - 127.3 passer rating vs 83.5 passer rating.
Final two minutes of half - 110.4 passer rating vs 77 passer rating.
When trailing - 103.7 passer rating vs 83.6 passer rating.
4th Q - 91.9 passer rating vs 89.4 passer rating.
Margin of victory within 7 points - 117 passer rating vs 93.8 passer rating.

Guess which one is 2021 Wentz and which one is 2020 Mayfield.

Hint - The Colts are planning to release Carson Wentz if they cannot find a trade
Im not too concerned about Wentz. Im concerned as a lifelong Browns fan i will never see a Superbowl with the Browns as the victor. Especially with Mayfield as qb
 
4th Q, game within 7 points - 127.3 passer rating vs 83.5 passer rating.
Final two minutes of half - 110.4 passer rating vs 77 passer rating.
When trailing - 103.7 passer rating vs 83.6 passer rating.
4th Q - 91.9 passer rating vs 89.4 passer rating.
Margin of victory within 7 points - 117 passer rating vs 93.8 passer rating.

Guess which one is 2021 Wentz and which one is 2020 Mayfield.

Hint - The Colts are planning to release Carson Wentz if they cannot find a trade partner

You would replacing our QB, who played horribly in 2021, with an older proven horrible QB.

The fact is the Colts can't wait to get rid of Wentz for a reason...and nobody out there wants Wentz as their starting QB. Literally no other QB needy NFL team is willing to give Indianapolis anything for him. Not even a 6th round draft pick. That tells you a lot.

You definitely would rather see what you have in a healthy Mayfield next year than replace him with a soon-to-be 30 year old Wentz who can't make the playoffs with one of the best running games in the NFL. Wentz stinks, and he can go stink somewhere else.
 
Stats without context lie often. Those you posted didn't make him the 3rd best QB in the league...in the Indy offense...with that run game.


Don't mind Gabe.. He's stuck on his Derek Anderson type QB... You know the type... A 6'6 Oaf who can't hit the side of a barn...

You know... The Josh Rosen , Sam Darnold types who have basically vanished...
 
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