Enigmatic Evil
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Rookie or not. You can't look at his season and tell me Wentz didn't regress hard as the year went on.
I don't care for circumstances... I care for results.
I don't care for circumstances... I care for results.
The #1 pick is in -- Myles Garrett
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brownsdownunder
Fuck Cancer! R.I.P Sean Webb
https://www.fanragsports.com/browns/evaluating-first-two-preseason-performances-myles-garrett/
A little Myles Garrett film study. My god, do I love this kid.
A little Myles Garrett film study. My god, do I love this kid.
Stray Dawg
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And if Kizer regresses? shrug
Enigmatic Evil
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Then you have to call a spade a spade.
I've never got my head in the clouds... however, Wentz was also the second overall pick. Kizer is a second round pick. If Kizer puts up Wentz numbers, I'd be pretty happy overall. If Kizer did that with a greater general consistency than Wentz did, I would be surprised. IMO, I don't expect Kizer to put up anything near Wentz numbers.
If Kizer has a positive TD/INT ratio, I'll be happy. If he can win some football games. Fuck yes. I just want him to stay healthy, learn and be able to thrive at this level.
I've never got my head in the clouds... however, Wentz was also the second overall pick. Kizer is a second round pick. If Kizer puts up Wentz numbers, I'd be pretty happy overall. If Kizer did that with a greater general consistency than Wentz did, I would be surprised. IMO, I don't expect Kizer to put up anything near Wentz numbers.
If Kizer has a positive TD/INT ratio, I'll be happy. If he can win some football games. Fuck yes. I just want him to stay healthy, learn and be able to thrive at this level.
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Fuck Cancer! R.I.P Sean Webb
I'd also argue that it wasn't just as simple as a regression for Carson Wentz.
To start the year he went 91/135 (67%) for 1,007 yards (7.4 YPA) with 7 touchdowns to 1 interception. That's a passer rating of 103. They also had a 3-1 record, and people were anointing him a franchise saviour.
The problem, however, is they had designed a really gimmicky system for him. For example, they ran a lot of bootleg intendeds on half-field reads running various depths of crossing routes. That's fine until teams start to think it's all you can do and they game plan against it. When teams did, Wentz fell off horrifically. From week 5 onwards, he went 288/472 (61%) for 2,775 yards (5.8 YPA) with 9 touchdowns to 13 interceptions. That's a passer rating of 71, and they finished off winning 4 games and losing 8. A five win season isn't bad for a rookie, but they were a much better team than that record allowed. Wentz really held them back.
Chicago is doing the same thing with Trubisky. Anyone can watch and see how many times they've got him moving out on a bootleg and hitting a half-field read who is on a cross, or an out, or a curl, etc. Fun, but that won't last in the regular season. When they took the same thing away from Wentz, he was a different QB. Not poised in the pocket, not nearly as accurate, made some really bad decisions and looked overwhelmed. That's not good for a rookie who was drafted #2 overall in massive trading up, and had spend 5 years in a pro-style system. The question becomes: Just how much more can Wentz pick up.
I don't think he regressed so much as showed that he looks wonderful with a gimmick in place, but less than stellar without it.
To start the year he went 91/135 (67%) for 1,007 yards (7.4 YPA) with 7 touchdowns to 1 interception. That's a passer rating of 103. They also had a 3-1 record, and people were anointing him a franchise saviour.
The problem, however, is they had designed a really gimmicky system for him. For example, they ran a lot of bootleg intendeds on half-field reads running various depths of crossing routes. That's fine until teams start to think it's all you can do and they game plan against it. When teams did, Wentz fell off horrifically. From week 5 onwards, he went 288/472 (61%) for 2,775 yards (5.8 YPA) with 9 touchdowns to 13 interceptions. That's a passer rating of 71, and they finished off winning 4 games and losing 8. A five win season isn't bad for a rookie, but they were a much better team than that record allowed. Wentz really held them back.
Chicago is doing the same thing with Trubisky. Anyone can watch and see how many times they've got him moving out on a bootleg and hitting a half-field read who is on a cross, or an out, or a curl, etc. Fun, but that won't last in the regular season. When they took the same thing away from Wentz, he was a different QB. Not poised in the pocket, not nearly as accurate, made some really bad decisions and looked overwhelmed. That's not good for a rookie who was drafted #2 overall in massive trading up, and had spend 5 years in a pro-style system. The question becomes: Just how much more can Wentz pick up.
I don't think he regressed so much as showed that he looks wonderful with a gimmick in place, but less than stellar without it.
hammertime
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Myles Garret anyone?
lol
lol
Enigmatic Evil
Mr. Censor
I'm thinking this thread has lived a long life as is...
TheBestPlayersPlay
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No worries guys, just another injured foot! I mean it fellas, NO WORRIES! *feigned indignation*. :shame:
OconRecon
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.@Flash_Garrett at his best is the best individual pass rusher in NFL history
The Steelers game plan coming in was “limit Myles Garrett’s impact”…beat him up in the run game and when they’re passing the ball double team him every way possible.
Every time one double team didn’t work, they tried something else; chips, bumps, TE double teams, slides… nothing worked. He was unblockable by every lineman.
Don’t take my word for it, Mike Tomlin just said it at halftime!! #TNFonPrime
The Steelers game plan coming in was “limit Myles Garrett’s impact”…beat him up in the run game and when they’re passing the ball double team him every way possible.
Every time one double team didn’t work, they tried something else; chips, bumps, TE double teams, slides… nothing worked. He was unblockable by every lineman.
Don’t take my word for it, Mike Tomlin just said it at halftime!! #TNFonPrime
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