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The #1 pick is in -- Myles Garrett

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Miles apparently was showing off his burst and strength today. I saw a video of him bowling over two lineman during a play today. I'll try to find and share it...
 
TheBestPlayersPlay said:
Pretty much everyone here has been forced to give me their due dozens of times. It just never happens.

I'll be going back and quoting my Osweiler post in a few weeks. Will look for back patting meme later.

It's honestly a burden going against popular opinion and being right so often ...because it usually means the team I was brainwashed into loving is making the wrong decisions.

Here's to hoping the Browns were right about the big 3 QBs and right about Kizer & Garrett.

BTW first choice S for coaching staff was the Buckeye, not Peppers. But after Sashi & Depo gave Hue the big fuck you for ruining the top of the draft, they rolled the dice on Peppers dropping and got it right.
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no question mitch has looked good so far but it doesnt really mean anything just as kizers game doesnt mean much untill they play in real games against real starters in the NFL.

i think the browns messed up passing on wentz he had all the tools and talent and by all acounts loves football and is as hard of worker as anyone. those are a good combo for success in the nfl in any position.

kizer and garrett , peppers appear so far to have tons of talent and are both working extra hard in camp by reports doing extra when they dont have to.

i am not sure kizer was really the franchise he was a calculated swing in the second round for a team that should draft a qb in the first 3 rounds until a guy steps up and claims the spot. dont be suprised when they draft one the big 4 qb's coming out next year as well.
 
Nope. We got a haul of draft picks for an overrated 24 yo rookie QB with injury history.

WR Corey Coleman

OT Shon Coleman

QB Cody Kessler

WR Ricardo Louis

S Derrick Kindred

WR Jordan Payton

OG/OT Spencer Drango

S Jabrill Peppers

QB DeShone Kizer

Houston's first-round pick in 2018

Philadelphia's second-round pick in 2018
 
hammertime said:
actually Wentz is a gift that keeps on giving....
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PhilKosar said:
Nope. We got a haul of draft picks for an overrated 24 yo rookie QB with injury history.

WR Corey Coleman

OT Shon Coleman

QB Cody Kessler

WR Ricardo Louis

S Derrick Kindred

WR Jordan Payton

OG/OT Spencer Drango

S Jabrill Peppers

QB DeShone Kizer

Houston's first-round pick in 2018

Philadelphia's second-round pick in 2018
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ok im pretty sure right now browns fans wouldnt know a good qb in the making if it punched them in the face.

all those players are great but the price for a top -10 QB which he will be this year is more expensive and harder to attain then what we got. they are basically untradeable

lets keep an ongoing tally this isnt going to be pretty.

wentz- 7 wins

browns- 1 win
 
I thought the Browns should have drafted a QB at the top that year, and this year. QB is not a priority to the human power play.

Wentz had a dismal 2nd half of the season, but as you said ...good kid, hard worker, has the tools. Wouldn't bet against him.
 
EastSideDawg said:
ok im pretty sure right now browns fans wouldnt know a good qb in the making if it punched them in the face.

all those players are great but the price for a top -10 QB which he will be this year is more expensive and harder to attain then what we got. they are basically untradeable

lets keep an ongoing tally this isnt going to be pretty.

wentz- 7 wins

browns- 1 win
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This doesn't have much to do with Myles Garrett but...

Wentz in Philadelphia is not the same as Wentz in Cleveland (before the trade). While it is true that the quarterback is the most important position on the team, a talented quarterback is not all that is needed for success. A team with a talented quarterback can fail miserably. I think Wentz would have failed in Cleveland with Pettine's team. He may yet fail in Philadelphia. If he does, he will not be the first quarterback who looked good in a dumbed down offense only to fail later.

But even if he performs well in the future, the trade was one that I would want our FO to make again. We need to build a team, not merely acquire a quarterback. (A talented quarterback is necessary but not sufficient.)
 
EastSideDawg said:
ok im pretty sure right now browns fans wouldnt know a good qb in the making if it punched them in the face.

all those players are great but the price for a top -10 QB which he will be this year is more expensive and harder to attain then what we got. they are basically untradeable

lets keep an ongoing tally this isnt going to be pretty.

wentz- 7 wins

browns- 1 win
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Kizer + all others mentioned becomes a steal if he develops well. Not to mention that if Brock somehow actually turned into a legit middle of the road QB (like Wentz), they would have gotten him AND a 2nd for free...

Wentz was placed in a cockpit of legit NFL talent, he would be on the scrap heap this year if he was forced to play last year for the Browns
 
Wentz is NOT going to be top 10 this year...or next...unless he fixes that god-awful arm dip in his deliver. His elbow actually goes OVER TOP of the ball. Talk about a tell and a half!!!

Sorry...he struggled the second half of the year because teams had film on that delivery...and it is not something that is easy to overcome.

My prediction...Eagles are in QB purgatory. Wentz will be too good to move on from, and not good enough to take them to the promised land. (Alex Smith anyone???).
 
TheBestPlayersPlay said:
I thought the Browns should have drafted a QB at the top that year, and this year. QB is not a priority to the human power play.

Wentz had a dismal 2nd half of the season, but as you said ...good kid, hard worker, has the tools. Wouldn't bet against him.
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I won't necessarily bet against him, but there are a lot of good kids who are hard workers and have all the tools that have ultimately failed.
 
Brownsfan said:
This doesn't have much to do with Myles Garrett but...

Wentz in Philadelphia is not the same as Wentz in Cleveland (before the trade). While it is true that the quarterback is the most important position on the team, a talented quarterback is not all that is needed for success. A team with a talented quarterback can fail miserably. I think Wentz would have failed in Cleveland with Pettine's team. He may yet fail in Philadelphia. If he does, he will not be the first quarterback who looked good in a dumbed down offense only to fail later.

But even if he performs well in the future, the trade was one that I would want our FO to make again. We need to build a team, not merely acquire a quarterback. (A talented quarterback is necessary but not sufficient.)
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I'd just caution here to not subscribe too closely to the "bad teams ruin good QBs" thing.

I just haven't seen any evidence for it. Plenty of really bad football teams have groomed really good QBs. Conversely, not one of our failed QBs has gone on to be successful anywhere else.

I really think its much more likely that the QB is either good or he isn't. If he's good, it will ultimately show through regardless of the pieces around him. That's not any different from any other position as even bad teams have a couple standout players. (i.e., they aren't "ruined" or dragged down by a subpar supporting cast: they're still visibly good)
 
Greythan said:
I'd just caution here to not subscribe too closely to the "bad teams ruin good QBs" thing.

I just haven't seen any evidence for it. Plenty of really bad football teams have groomed really good QBs. Conversely, not one of our failed QBs has gone on to be successful anywhere else.

I really think its much more likely that the QB is either good or he isn't. If he's good, it will ultimately show through regardless of the pieces around him. That's not any different from any other position as even bad teams have a couple standout players. (i.e., they aren't "ruined" or dragged down by a subpar supporting cast: they're still visibly good)
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Interesting use of the word "caution." Yes, we need be cautious because everything is right with the world. The cream always rises to the top. There are no bad coaches in the NFL. And there is no need to worry about developing a quarterback because he either has it or he doesn't. And switching offenses every year or so should be a breeze for a quarterback so why worry about continuity? And if a quarterback that was beaten to a pulp in Cleveland is not immediately successful in a new offense with another team, it is obviously because he wasn't any good in the first place.

Yes, we do need to be cautious about falling into that fallacy of thinking that players need to be developed in order to perform at their best. :)
 
PhilKosar said:
Kizer + all others mentioned becomes a steal if he develops well. Not to mention that if Brock somehow actually turned into a legit middle of the road QB (like Wentz), they would have gotten him AND a 2nd for free...

Wentz was placed in a cockpit of legit NFL talent, he would be on the scrap heap this year if he was forced to play last year for the Browns
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no he carried the offence in philly with arguably worse talent then the browns. jordan matthews who they just traded and nelson agholor? and whoever their RB's are idk if any are even back with the team this year they have sproles and blunt now.

i would argue pryor, coleman, crowell and duke are better then anyone they had.

he is a stud ..did you see his first preseason game ? not that im really into preseason but he shrugged off unblocked clay matthews and threw a TD that looked like a young big ben it made me sick knowing we could have had him.
 
Not sure I would agree with your assessment of the WRs, RBs, etc.

I did say cockpit:
Philly had a top 10 OL: (PFF) https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season
8. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (7)
Top overall grade: LT Jason Peters, 88.3 (No. 7)

Top pass-blocking grade: LT Jason Peters, 89.1 (No. 6)

Top run-blocking grade: RT Lane Johnson, 86.7 (No. 6)

"The Eagles line would have been far higher on this list if RT Lane Johnson could avoid getting himself suspended. Johnson is arguably the game’s best right tackle, but was suspended for 10 games, forcing the team to use fifth round rookie Halapoulivaati Vaitai, Allen Barbre and then Matt Tobin at right tackle as injuries prevented a settled unit. New import Brandon Brooks was excellent in his first season with the Eagles, allowing just one sack all season at guard and narrowly missing out on a spot on the PFF All-Pro team. Between injury and suspension, the Eagles were disrupted pretty significantly up front, and this unit has the potential to be better than they showed overall this year."


And noticeably he regressed when he lost his RT for a 10 game suspension. Considering our WRs regressed to TP and no one else through most of the season and a running game that was abandoned, I would say Wentz would not have "developed" well unless you are referring to concussions?
 
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