The #1 pick is in -- Myles Garrett
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One thing is clear, Hue & GW won the war. I trust GW. Garrett will hopefully be a beast. That should put us at about 4 wins.
UNLESS, a QB steps up. Maybe it will be Osweiler. Although I would prefer Kizer looking good enough in TC to let him run with it. Maybe suddenly he shines with some protection. Hue is good at dumbing down the offense for young players, so Kizers slow eyes might not get in the way too often.
All of those "tense" arguments Hue referred to on Thursday got us Garrett, so he needs to be the guy who carries us to the playoffs. I think if GW wasn't in the mix, perhaps it would have been a different pick, because all of Hue's juice was gone after he inspired our team to 1 victory last season. Sashi must feel like a bit of a red headed step child at this point. But you have to respect GW, so I get it. He'll likely be our head coach by early 2018. Which would be a good thing.
UNLESS, a QB steps up. Maybe it will be Osweiler. Although I would prefer Kizer looking good enough in TC to let him run with it. Maybe suddenly he shines with some protection. Hue is good at dumbing down the offense for young players, so Kizers slow eyes might not get in the way too often.
All of those "tense" arguments Hue referred to on Thursday got us Garrett, so he needs to be the guy who carries us to the playoffs. I think if GW wasn't in the mix, perhaps it would have been a different pick, because all of Hue's juice was gone after he inspired our team to 1 victory last season. Sashi must feel like a bit of a red headed step child at this point. But you have to respect GW, so I get it. He'll likely be our head coach by early 2018. Which would be a good thing.
damajuki
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TBPP, I know you wanted Trubisky. Do you like what CHI did to get him? You gonna join me in Bears fandom now?
Whatever Kizer's weaknesses, they're much more manageable when drafted at 52 than in the first round, or even at 33. Hopefully we get enough of a look at him this year that we know what to do again in the top 10 next year, where we likely will be no matter how well everyone plays.
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Die-Hard
Didn't know you were a Bears fan. Love their tradition. Hard for me to root for any non Cleveland team. Would love to see a great kid from Cleveland be a success though. He landed in a god awful situation. If he would have landed here, sky was the limit. Alas, we have Hue Jackson, who thought RG III was our savior. Read Silver's piece. Can't wait until the bum is gone, thought he should have been last year, after bringing in the who's who of garbage coaches because he wanted to give them an opportunity. Wanted to give him another chance after he fired every assistant coach who's head I called for. But now that we know the real deal ..what a sham this guy is. In any case. Go Gregg Williams, Myles Garrett, and the Cleveland Browns!
Nasus
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This x 10. Would have been the same thing if we took Wentz last year. If the Bears were smart, they would have traded back with the Chiefs or Texans.
Nevada John
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Die-Hard
Read Silvers article in the other thread. Even though he is a Hue Jackson shill, the article damns him more than celebrates him imo, even if it wasn't intended.
Stray Dawg
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Are we calling for Hues head already? What happened to"continuity" ? 
Wenky
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I think Hue is safe as long as we win more games than last season, and I think we'll do that comfortably. I'm not sure if that can be called a measure of success but I would be surprised if he was sacked if we finished the 4-12 or 5-11 etc.
He creates a more positive vibe than Mike Pettine, certainly, and that can only be good for our young team. He's going to be allowed some time because of the nature of this re-build. So long as he delivers year-on-year improvement then I think the Front Office will continue to back him.
He creates a more positive vibe than Mike Pettine, certainly, and that can only be good for our young team. He's going to be allowed some time because of the nature of this re-build. So long as he delivers year-on-year improvement then I think the Front Office will continue to back him.
next2nothing
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This regime needs a legit 4 or 5 years. It's clear a plan is in place and being executed. Stick to the plan and see how it unfolds.
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Die-Hard
I was calling for Hue's head a long time ago ..like right after he was hired and brought in the who's who of shit coaches. He bought himself some time after the FO force fired his staff and Gregg Williams decided to come on.
Because these players coaches have worked so well in the past. I think we need at least 6 wins. We just drafted a "generational" talent, signed the worlds most expensive OL, added other pieces in FA, and had the greatest draft of all time apparently. 6 wins is not asking too much in year 2.
Hopefully DePodesta, Sashi and co. are not tied to Hue too tightly, and I don't think they are ....and they will do a better job on our coach on the next attempt. (pretty easy with G. Williams sitting there already on your staff)
Wenky
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If the Browns win six games this year (hopefully including against Vikings at Twickenham!) then I think we'll have had a successful season. I'd be slightly concerned if we end up with a record worse than 4-12, but I don't think we share the same opinion of Hue Jackson currently.
Last year was a free hit for Hue. Let's see if he manages to make any progress with these players before we throw him under the bus. In a way he's already in trouble because any defensive improvements will be put down to Gregg Williams and any offensive improvements will be put down to free-agency spending and 2nd year QB and WRs being understandably better than rookies. That won't be the full story though I'm sure.
We've heard a lot in the aftermath of the Draft about which picks were championed by the coaching staff specifically. Do we have that information for last year's draft out of interest?
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Die-Hard
Not sure on last year, I can't recall ...but Hue had a lot more "juice" coming into last year. So I would assume he had a lot more say last year than he did this year, especially on the QB issue. We know he wanted Goff, but then decided he thought RG III was a stud so they passed. Last year he took credit for drafting Kessler, although some are now saying that was a Sashi pick. I'm not sure on the other players, but would have to assume he had a lot to do with the players on the O side of the ball.
Geech
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Looks like this conversation is going on in several threads, unless i just screwed up posting in another one.
I'm not sure 6 wins is all that realistic. Remember this defense was falling all over each other last year, when they weren't falling all over themselves. 3G Gregg has his work cut out for him. The rookies will help, but they're still rookies. There will be a learning curve.
Maybe Myles can just go kill the QB from the get go. He's got all the moves. Swim, Rip, Bull Rush, and even that Shoulder Dip speed move. Maybe Peppers is smart and disciplined enough to maintain his responsibility. Maybe both will play at a Pro-Bowl level as rookies. I won't hold my breath.
I think the secondary will test our patience as fans.
On a positive note, I think Kirksey will really come into his own after having a breakout year in 2016.
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I'm not sure 6 wins is all that realistic. Remember this defense was falling all over each other last year, when they weren't falling all over themselves. 3G Gregg has his work cut out for him. The rookies will help, but they're still rookies. There will be a learning curve.
Maybe Myles can just go kill the QB from the get go. He's got all the moves. Swim, Rip, Bull Rush, and even that Shoulder Dip speed move. Maybe Peppers is smart and disciplined enough to maintain his responsibility. Maybe both will play at a Pro-Bowl level as rookies. I won't hold my breath.
I think the secondary will test our patience as fans.
On a positive note, I think Kirksey will really come into his own after having a breakout year in 2016.
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Wenky
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Looking back I think Hue's "Trust Me" comments on Kessler were intended to divert any flak or pressure away from the Front Office and also Kessler himself.
Hue won't have expected Kessler to play last year, never mind hold his own as well as he did. It sounds more like using his capital with the media to absorb the fallout from not drafting Goff/Wentz. I think it only looks like taking credit in hindsight because Kessler performed admirably.
Hue won't have expected Kessler to play last year, never mind hold his own as well as he did. It sounds more like using his capital with the media to absorb the fallout from not drafting Goff/Wentz. I think it only looks like taking credit in hindsight because Kessler performed admirably.
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Die-Hard
I think 6 wins is being charitable. It should be more. We had an absolute garbage defensive coordinator last year, along with garbage assistant coaches. We also have a bunch of young promising guys who should be coming into their own more this season. Ogbah is obviously good, but I think Nassib is going to be even better. The secondary is a concern, but with our DL improving vastly they should have a lot of help.
Also, our pro-bowl linebacker that we traded for now shouldn't be running around aimlessly which will also make a huge difference, and I am a Kirksey fan as well.
On offense ...well let's see what Hue does with it. We have the worlds greatest OL, and a RB that put up very good #'s behind last years OL. If we have competent QB play, 6 wins should be easy ... and going .500 should be achievable. Osweiler is likely going to end up the starter, and should do at least better than we are used to which isn't saying much.
Our young WRs will no doubt improve, as will Devalve.
6 wins shouldn't be asking too much.
hammertime
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don't forget the new kicker.....maybe 8 wins...
DawgFan
In NFL HELL since 1964
I said it last year...with a new D scheme, and nearly 50% of all defensive snaps by rookies or 2nd year players, there was a ton of 'rookie' type mistakes...way more than on a team that has only 1 or 2 rookies playing amongst 8-10 veterans. The rookies had nobody to rely/lean on...and so the mistakes compounded.
The real talent on this team was unrealized due to the mistake plays. I truly believe with this extra year, the added talent, and a DC who DEMANDS respect...this D is going to make exponential improvement. Garrett will be playing alongside Shelton...who will be in his 3rd year. The primary LB's will both have experience. Haden should provide leadership in the secondary. That should pay dividends.
As for the offense...Kessler is going to get enough snaps to be confident in his knowledge of the system. Add in what should be a much improved OL, and WR's with a little experience under their belts and Britt to anchor it....the O should also show improvement.
The real talent on this team was unrealized due to the mistake plays. I truly believe with this extra year, the added talent, and a DC who DEMANDS respect...this D is going to make exponential improvement. Garrett will be playing alongside Shelton...who will be in his 3rd year. The primary LB's will both have experience. Haden should provide leadership in the secondary. That should pay dividends.
As for the offense...Kessler is going to get enough snaps to be confident in his knowledge of the system. Add in what should be a much improved OL, and WR's with a little experience under their belts and Britt to anchor it....the O should also show improvement.
damajuki
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My wife is from Chicago, we lived there when we were first married so the fit was a natural one. But I actually first picked up the Bears during college when the Browns were gone. I didn't really want to cheer for an AFC team and the Bears were the local team in the market so it was a good fit. Plus, the Bears were very Brownsian, both in terms of fan base and tradition. And, I was comfortable with orange already.
Not to mention the QB futility, "boring" head coach who "couldn't win the big one" so they fired him (Whoops! They got worse after Lovie. Guess going a "boring" 10-6 and making the playoffs every year was too much "boring" winning for Bears fans...) and the emphasis on defense and special teams. Those Urlacher/Briggs/Thomas Jones/Devin Hester teams were FUN. Good run for a while.
Anyway, I understand your frustration about missing on Trubisky but I don't share it. I think it would have been unhealthy for everyone had he come home, honestly. Too much pressure, too much angst. I mean, shit, Jesus got stoned by his own village, man! People can't accept success from their neighbors, despite what they say.
I also don't get your Hue hate. We only know a tiny bit from the outside but it's pretty clear players love and respect him. He must be doing something right.
But I do get your point about maybe he's not quite as good at picking the QB as coaching the QB. Which is, to me, just another reason to be ECSTATIC that the QB that fell to us at 52 was perhaps *not* his first choice. Might mean that having a young man with all the physical and mental tools but not the experience of NFL coaching might be the perfect foil for Hue. Perhaps Flacco 2.0?
Anyway, um, love Myles Garrett at #1. That's the subject we're supposed to be discussing here, right? :eyeroll:
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