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The " Book It " thread!

Cliff were cool.
It’s all been said, I don’t agree with you that often but it’s
pretty clear that we know one another’s ideas and principals
and I respect your point of view...
 
jaydog said:
Would you agree with your statement if it pertained to global warming? If not I'm going to use your argument here for that. I already have, but you said it much better than I.
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In regard to climate change, we have a lot of data. The data shows that climate change is real and has been occurring since time immemorial.

Climate change is not something that man created and it is, in my view, not something that we can significantly affect. Considering the significant and sometimes drastic changes to the earth's climate in the distant past, one would think that people would realize that nature has a mind of it's own. There are major forces at work here. I think our efforts to affect the climate is like a child playing a game.

Currently, the earth is getting warmer. However, the rate of warming is relatively slow compared to the tens of degrees of temperature change most people experience every year or sometimes during a single day. According to satellite data, the earth's overall average temperature was 0.15 C higher during the past decade (2010-2019) than in the previous decade (2000-2009). That’s less than a third of a degree F, which no one would notice if it were to occur within just a few minutes, and this was the actual measured overall change for a period of 10 years per satellite measurements. The temperature change during the past ten years is in line with the inferred temperature chance for the past 250 years, since about 1750, the minimum temperature period of the Little Ice Age (LIA).

For a look further back in time, you might consider the following:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Five_Myr_Climate_Change.png

Unlike the novel coronavirus, climate change is nothing new.
 
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Kegeratorz said:
And I thought my raw chicken revaluation was further derailment. Hahaha! Carry on!
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Could you tell me specifically why you no longer fear touching raw chicken. I don't care if we get further derailed. We can get back on track if we want to. In the meantime, I am curious what brought that great piece of news to the surface. Please explain in detail.
 
I apologize my friend. I had all intentions trying to make a bit of light in dark times. Didn't mean to come off pretentious.

I do 99% of the cooking in the house and chicken always grossed me out. Today, I couldn't care less chopping up tenderloins for the fam. It's the simple things that ease my mind.

Be safe and good vibes!
 
DawgFan said:
I am not saying we shouldn't take precautions, but we can't stop living and making a living on the off chance we get it or someone we know unfortunately passes.
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Why is this strawman continually being propped up? Its disturbing.

Dawg does a disservice here as he fails to list the primary reason we are taking precautions: the threat of overwhelming our health care systems.

The limited data we have indicated a strong possibility of our ICU capacity being unable to meet the demands of the severe, but often survivable if treated, COVID-19 cases. This would also mean that traditional ICU patients with other afflictions (cardiac problems, cancers, accidents/emergencies, etc.) would not have access to ICU services. This is the primary motivator for the public policies being enacted; to flatten the curve.

Please, lets at least be intellectually honest in the discussion.
 
Interesting thing about raw chicken...did you know you are not supposed to rinse it? Turns out you are more likely to splash the salmonella all around your kitchen than make any real difference in the meat...the cooking alone will clear the bacteria.

Climate change? Tend to believe nature does what it does, and we may have given her a boost by some things we do...but I also think our ability to control it is limited to our actual affect...which to me seems minimal. Besides, what do we listen to? 20 years ago we were told to stop using paper because of deforestation, now they yell at people for drinking bottled water. Eggs were bad...no, good...wait, bad....hold on, good. Meat is necessary for growth....wait it's bad....no no no, it's good for you....it's causing global warming so we need to go vegan. AAAAAARGH!

In the US the biggest pollutant is cars. If they want us all to drive electric, put up superchargers all over the place that can charge a car in less than an hour (that is currently the shortest charge time). Then bring down the cost of the electric cars...and then maybe we will change. But then again, it does take fossil fuels to produce electricity....and if anyone says wind and solar, the biproducts of those are terrible, they destroy acres of land, and are highly inefficient. Fix that.
 
Greythan said:
Why is this strawman continually being propped up? Its disturbing.

Dawg does a disservice here as he fails to list the primary reason we are taking precautions: the threat of overwhelming our health care systems.

The limited data we have indicated a strong possibility of our ICU capacity being unable to meet the demands of the severe, but often survivable if treated, COVID-19 cases. This would also mean that traditional ICU patients with other afflictions (cardiac problems, cancers, accidents/emergencies, etc.) would not have access to ICU services. This is the primary motivator for the public policies being enacted; to flatten the curve.

Please, lets at least be intellectually honest in the discussion.
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Okay, Grey, I don't object to an argument strongly argued. However, I think accusing Dawg of making a strawman argument is unfair. Actually, he is arguing for balance and balance is not a strawman. Also, what you are describing is that a worst case scenario involving multiple cycles.

I believe Dr. Birx addressed that scenario in detail in response to a question during the daily briefing of the coronavirus task force yesterday. Basically, she said that we need to concentrate our resources on supplying the needs of hospitals this year instead of projecting needs in 2021 and 2022 (assuming a worst case multiyear scenario with no effective treatment or vaccine) while also working hard to avoid the multiple cycle scenario by developing better treatments and a vaccine so we won't be overwhelmed in future years. She also spent a significant portion of her discussion on the flu since we are having a particularly bad flu season which is using up resources at the same time we are trying to fight COVID-19.

I most certainly disagree that Dawg is being intellectually dishonest. In my opinion, he is telling it straight. On the other hand inflammatory language you used like "demands of the severe, but often survivable if treated" is counterproductive. The virus truly is severe in some cases, of course, but one of the problems in getting an accurate count of the cases is that it is sometimes so mild that people don't know they have it and cases go unreported.
 
Greythan said:
Which can be paralyzing. ;)
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However, we are about to know quite a lot more shortly when the 15 days to slow the coronavirus period is up and data for its results are known.

Studies indicate that the incubation period for COVID-19 is from 2 to 14 days with the medium being 5.1 days and that 97.5% of people who contract the virus show symptoms in 11.5 days. Therefore, when the entire nation is asked to social distance, limit exposure to the family unit and look for symptoms for 15 days, in addition to attempting to slow the spread of the disease, they are essentially doing a test of the entire nation for the virus.

The data from the results of that test will be available in just a few days. Granted, the data will not be perfect, but it will be very useful in evaluating where we are with the disease. They will better know, for example, how and when the restrictions can safely be lifted.

Perhaps I am projecting, but, for what it is worth, Dr. Fauci seemed considerably more optimistic during the briefing yesterday than in the past.
 
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This is Dr. Birx's discussion:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Very important point from Dr. Birx 👇<br><br>Models with zero controls lead to inaccurate projections and unnecessary fear<br><br>"That is nowhere close to the numbers you see people putting out there. I think it has frightened the American people." <a href="https://t.co/nZdM5fSpeW">pic.twitter.com/nZdM5fSpeW</a></p>— Elizabeth Harrington (@LizRNC) <a href="https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1242952507778912257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Grey, the ICU issue is a real potential issue. I agree. However, it really is a worst case scenario. CNN is having a great time showing us the overwhelmed NYC hospitals...yet all the hospitals in the surrounding areas are below normal capacity because people are avoiding going where they perceive the virus to be.

So...while specific hospitals may be strained, the likelihood of ALL of them having the issue is slim at best. That opens up the ability to transfer patients as needed. In all pathogen related illnesses there are hotspots...NYC just happens to mirror Italy in that is a shit ton of people living on top of one another and relying heavily on public transport.

To answer a question posed back in the Browns section: The kind of masks available to you and me are the kind healthcare workers use to avoid passing pathogens to patients in immunocompromised state or open wound (surgery)...to protect the patient. The kind that they use for entering rooms for patients with airborne pathogens are rebreathers...and you aren't getting them, and even if you did you probably wouldn't fit it properly.

In China, Korea, Japan...those populations have been wearing masks for pollution reasons for years.
 
Kegeratorz said:
That is scary stuff man.
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All it really means it that virtually all who contract the disease will show signs within 15 days. The most common symptoms are fever, cough, and difficulty breathing. It does not indicate the severity of the symptoms which, as we know, range from mild to severe depending mainly on age and underlying conditions.
 
Brownsfan said:
All it really means it that virtually all who contract the disease will show signs within 15 days. The most common symptoms are fever, cough, and difficulty breathing. It does not indicate the severity of the symptoms which, as we know, range from mild to severe depending mainly on age and underlying conditions.
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I meant it's scary how long you can blindly spread it before you realize you're doing so.
 
Dawg kennel said:
I just got furlowed today:(
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I showed up to work yesterday and my editor said, "Can I see you in my office? It isn't good."

He ripped the bandage off and told me that without events and businesses closing, our advertising revenue had already dried up and he had to let about half the staff go - including me.

Two journalists will be kept on - the most experienced ones - to try and write four weekly papers between them. Half the advertising staff is gone. Editor dropped his title and demoted himself to advertising. Newsroom is empty. No proof-reader, journalists now proof each other's work exclusively, and half of the company cars might have to go.

He said he's hoping it doesn't last too long, then he can try to bring us back if we haven't found anything else - first, part-time. Then, hopefully, back to our full-time jobs.

Frankly, given current projections, I see the newspaper folding. People aren't following social distancing and self-isolation, way too many people want to carry on as normal, so I think this fiasco will carry on until next year. My mother in law said he financial advisor told her their current projections are collapse until June at the earliest - assuming our Federal and State governments go ahead with stage three lockdowns this weekend (Shutting everything down).

The situation is crazy. It was only Feruary this seemed laughable. The newspapers I was writing, in just three weeks, went from a minor mention of panic buying, to the shutting down of events, to interviewing people who had lost their job/business. Just that fucking quickly.

I posted on Facebook that I got fired and had quite a few people read out who had been laid off too - and the economic turmoil has only just begun, really.

Crazy times man.
 
I live in Washington state as a commercial and residential builder.
Our governor decided state funded projects may continue however private funded projects must cease operating at once.
I ask guberment, do germs know the funding source?
 
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