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All good points...and I agree 100%. When feasible, avoid contact. When not feasible, limit exposure with hand washing, anti-viral wipes, and distancing. All things that can and should be done...and should already have been done...to avoid spreading COVID and the flu.

My point is more to those who can't avoid contact and are having their businesses shut down. Think of all the waiters and waitresses out of work. They have zero options, no income, and no way to even get another job even if they had the training because, well, the response has put the US in a pre-depression mindset and nobody is hiring. They have just lost their sole income.

Next will be small businesses that can't do remote work. How does a repair shop stay in business? How does the bar make it? How does a gym, or a spa, or a haircut shop survive? These are places that rely on constant traffic to survive...now they can't even open the doors. Hell, I just got informed Nintendo shut down their repair department due to COVID...so now I can't even get my Nintendo switch fixed for my kids...but more importantly, all those workers are now laid off...and that is a major company.

Those are the ones I am concerned for. When are they going to get the assistance they need? This stimulus plan gives them a grand or two...but that doesn't even last a month.
 
Reasonable article from the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/04/coronavirus-flu-comparison/

So why the nationwide coronavirus frenzy?

The key difference between the novel coronavirus and influenza, said Melissa Nolan, an infectious disease epidemiologist at the University of South Carolina, is this: We know what to expect from the flu.

Covid-19, the disease the coronavirus causes, has plunged us into the unknown. We don’t know how severe an outbreak might be and how many people it would kill.
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It is the fear of the unknown.
 
Danamal, great Vid...wish we had the rest of it.

Key mentions...
school closures cause a ton of hardship
we are causing more problems with shutting down business instead of addressing the real issues
500k deaths? 1918 Flu killed 25M.

He is right, this is a long haul, not a sprint...we need to address it as such. You don't run a marathon at a sprint...you will kill yourself. Pace, precaution, prepare, and listen to REAL experts...not the "I want my 15 minutes" MSNBC and the like reporters.

Everyone likes to point at Italy, but that place is an incubator. Old population, living on top of each other, large families all in one house, social contact that includes kissing as a greeting. All worst case scenarios for pathogen containment. They are an outlier, not the norm.
 
Danamal said:
Video: How Serious is the Coronavirus?
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Most of this is opinion based on estimates that may or may not be accurate. It may be possible that he is right. On the other hand, here is another opinion:

Nobel laureate predicts US will have much faster coronavirus recovery than expected
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https://thehill.com/changing-americ...15-nobel-laureate-predicts-us-will-experience

Stanford University biophysicist Michael Levitt correctly calculated China would get through the worst of its coronavirus epidemic earlier than most health experts estimated. Now he sees a similar outcome for the United States and other affected countries.
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This was the original article in the Los Angeles Times:

https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...fKluAi-8oO1WilEw9nKanFg_XzSlKF5UE8HA83YkHQs-A
 
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Jesus Christ Cliff,
I’m not putting up NBC or Fox horseshit on
the board,it was a simple conversation!
So now I have to go to “the Hill” for the
Republicans spin?
I was just passing along info from a neutral
source so people could be informed.

This isn’t about politics...
 
I fully understand being a small business owner and having many small business clients/friends. A few close friends that own bars and restaurants dealing with take-out only, it sucks. It's real catch 22 and I don't have the answer.

What I can say at least in my area is no one heeded the early warnings to stay in before they shut the doors. People refused to believe the inevitable. Ignoring a chance to help makes it ten times worse. Packed shops, gyms, bars, and restaurants with no desire to practice any precautions. I blame this on arrogance, false sense of entitlement. I actually had people tell me they didn't know washing your hands was that important, disgusting.

Just use your eyes and it was telling how this was going to play out. I'm uninformed(stupid really) and I predicted the timeline almost perfect, from TP outage to school closings and so on. Not bragging, just saying. If I saw it why didn't others?

What scares me the most is this all lands on an election year. Both sides will claim the savior and the opposition the villain, all while we suffer. I don't care who's right, just get it right.
 
Agreed, but I think Phill's point is, if you ask a dozen 'experts' on the trajectory of COVID, you are likely to get at least 6 different projections.

Fact is, nobody really knows...hence the fear...but 'economists' should be able to at least put a financial on the curative measures being implemented...and nobody is even broaching that subject. To me, this screams of a chance for the government to do a power grab...and I am not aiming that at any particular individual or party...the 2 parties did it before when a communist presidential candidate got too close to winning (they created closed primaries and required unattainable hoops to be jumped to qualify for the national election for anyone not Dem or Rep)...so my fear is they will work together and use the COVID for another power grab.

To me, the peripheral issues are far more scary than COVID itself.
 
DawgFan said:
mine are 5 and 10...do you recommend PS4 or Xbox?
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That's tough, I really don't play though I have an Xbox. My boys gravitated towards the PS4 when they were younger due to friends having them. Not sure if online play for games is open now or still brand specific. If locked to certain box then I would see what there buddies have. It's awesome they can still communicate and be productive while on lock down. Hell, I'd but another switch if that's what they like and have games for already.
 
The one we have is broken, and we only have 2 games so far...and the controllers are small when you play multiple players...leaning towards ps4, but not sure yet
 
Danamal said:
Jesus Christ Cliff,
I’m not putting up NBC or Fox horseshit on
the board,it was a simple conversation!
So now I have to go to “the Hill” for the
Republicans spin?
I was just passing along info from a neutral
source so people could be informed.

This isn’t about politics...
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I wasn't aware that The Hill was Republican spin. Sorry for my oversight. The link to the article I posted discussed an article in the Los Angeles Times--apparently another right wing source for information. :)

I added a link to the original source when I noticed it in the Hill article. The article in question was about the views of a Stanford University professor (again, right wing, I suppose), as I suppose one must consider the Washington Post to which I earlier posted a link.

Good grief, Dan. :D
 
Brownsfan said:
Let me ask a question: should a premature decision be required when insufficient data is available to make an informed decision? Also, should a course of action always assume a worst case scenario and what are the effects of an uninformed decision assuming a worst case scenario? Can the cure be worse than the poison?

Example: currently, there is not a single case of COVID-19 in the state of Oklahoma of a child under the age of 15. Nevertheless, schools are being closed in the entire state until at least April 6 in an abundance of caution for what might possibly happen to 700,000 school children if the schools are not closed.

Is it permissible to ask, what is the greater good or the greater evil? Unfortunately, it matters not. Once the panic sets in, it has a lemmings effect.
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Would you agree with your statement if it pertained to global warming? If not I'm going to use your argument here for that. I already have, but you said it much better than I.
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It’s called owning up to a mistake Jay,
My intention was apologizing to Cliff not
apologizing for my feelings on the matter.
I can get a little over the top at times but
I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong.
May not excuse it but that’s where I’m coming from.
 
Danamal said:
Sorry Cliff,
There’s a reason I quit talking politics...
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Seriously, Dan, I wasn't thinking in terms of politics when I posted those links to The Hill and the LA times. And, just for clarification, I can honestly say that I have never thought of The Hill as right wing. To me The Hill has always seemed to be somewhere in the middle between Fox and Politico. Kind of like CNN used to be but isn't anymore.

On the other hand, this is the place for discussion of politics and religion. The suggestion that I shouldn't post political things hit me the wrong way even if it wasn't my intent.
 
Danamal said:
It’s called owning up to a mistake Jay,
My intention was apologizing to Cliff not
apologizing for my feelings on the matter.
I can get a little over the top at times but
I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong.
May not excuse it but that’s where I’m coming from.
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You're okay, Dan. And if you ever decide to discuss politics with me again, you can feel free to argue as hard as you like. I won't take offense at an argument strongly argued.
 
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