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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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2 good QB's fighting for a starting spot and everyone sh&ts their pants! why are we so fu&king soft on QB's?
every other player accepts the reality that you could lose your spot.why not QB's? we protect them enough as it is.
If you're a baller and want the spot? come get it. law of the jungle fu&k how do you think we got here?
We’ve watched that for the last decade.
what? too many great QB's competing in cleveland? too many QB options in cleveland? every time Ive seen a great QB controversy guess what happens? the team ends up with a really good fu&king QB! we should actually draft 2 as well as a FA.the more the better IMO.
but 1 big name draft or FA? will fire baker like crazy so..get the mofo matches out I says
It'll be bakers last year as a starter If he fails anyway you slice it.
 
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You want to introduce another QB with BM correct? Well if you bring in a average/above average QB then it’s a problem.
for who? baker can't say sh%t after that game. you have a better idea?
burrow just threw for 4 TD's and over 1/2 a mile. we simply dont have a choice anymore.I like baker too n all but sorry.you need a push.
I could see us picking around 15 and selecting the best QB on the board. that would make this team better IMO.
usually that would not be to replace baker because a 15th pick isnt going to be a starter probably.not until '23.
so,hardly a controversy at all.
 
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Saw that stat, I’m with you. If accurate, that is bad.


I don’t remember you pointing out that precise stat. Either way it’s a bad look.
Let me see if I can help you with that;

1. You can’t read
2. You can read but no comprendo
3. You don’t pay attention to what you are reading
4. You aren’t reading my entire posts and cherry picking them
5. You know I’m right
6. You won’t admit it &
7. About that other half of the brain cell

Normally I charge for that but this one’s on the house
 
I would not be surprised if this FO traded up for a high pick. I think they would rather get a QB of their choosing on a rookie deal then try to deal Baker if possible.

At any rate they should've learned their lesson with the OBJ fiasco and know that Baker will be a malcontent the second the rookie, or any reasonable FA threat to take his job, gets here.

I still think we have as good a chance as any to see Baker return next year as the starter. Unless we sign a FA QB like Fitzpatrick or Newton.
All this is assuming the FO does not accept BM's injuries as an excuse for poor play.

 
I would not be surprised if this FO traded up for a high pick. I think they would rather get a QB of their choosing on a rookie deal then try to deal Baker if possible.

At any rate they should've learned their lesson with the OBJ fiasco and know that Baker will be a malcontent the second the rookie, or any reasonable FA threat to take his job, gets here.

I still think we have as good a chance as any to see Baker return next year as the starter. Unless we sign a FA QB like Fitzpatrick or Newton.
All this is assuming the FO does not accept BM's injuries as an excuse for poor play.

baker will be the starter next year and he should be. thats why I'm advocating for a trade up for the best QB on the board.
Is it a good draft to try for a QB? prolly no.no it isn't.but its a QB in the draft so who TF knows right? besides no choice here.
It would be better to give baker the same line they gave rodgers and say the kids for the distant future than to go get a FA QB.
could we get corral? I dont think so. we might even be better served waiting like NE did and getting BPA at QB with our 1st pick @15

I dont think baker would "spin out" If we draft a QB. we need a better backup than the aging keenum.not a tough sell.
then go WR,O-line,DE,DT

 
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Rooting against? Now if a loss may improve the long term future of my Browns I might be for it. All about the Browns, the team. No single person. Oh, and that dude is one of the dumbest player fans on all of twitter. He would lick his own shit.off.of Baker's dick. He is a prime example.of a player fan. Anything for Baker, even while it's costing the Browns W's.
 
I had a music teacher who taught me very precisely about patience.

When I had to learn a new, difficult passage, he would teach me to practice very slowly, deliberately and accurately, assuring me that if I was patient and practiced this way, the part would come to me.

However, when I would come in and play sloppily, he would rage on, having no patience or tolerance for me because I didn't prepare properly.

Browns fans are the opposite of my Maestro. We are patient thinking that shit will magically turn into shinola. We put the team second for our love of Mayfield. Shit performances be damned.

The best judgement of Baker Mayfield's quality is the outward perception of him by the fans. Polls indicate that roughly 50% of the fans don't like Mayfield. I am pretty sure that there was never anything close to 50% of fans who didn't like Roethlisberger, Marino, Kelly, Montana, Brees, Manning, Elway, etc. Add to that the player dissent he has caused, and only a moron cannot see that Baker Mayfield is not the guy, and he is never going to be the guy.

He will most likely start next year, but it will not be because he is qualified to do so.
 
baker will be the starter next year and he should be. thats why I'm advocating for a trade up for the best QB on the board.
Is it a good draft to try for a QB? prolly no.no it isn't.but its a QB in the draft so who TF knows right? besides no choice here.
It would be better to give baker the same line they gave rodgers and say the kids for the distant future than to go get a FA QB.
could we get corral? I dont think so. we might even be better served waiting like NE did and getting BPA at QB with our 1st pick @15

I dont think baker would "spin out" If we draft a QB. we need a better backup than the aging keenum.not a tough sell.
then go WR,O-line,DE,DT


He should be back, thats why we should draft one? We migh as well let Baker go then.

You want to trade up in a bad qb board, but who knows. So is it bad, or you dont know?

"besides, no choice here"
Oh we could get a receiver, a corner, a linebacker, a safety, trade down, stay put, a defensive tackle ... many choices.

"BPA at QB" BPA means best player regardless of position...
 
draft QB malik cunningham with a 2nd rd trade up (burn a 3rd) and take a WR with our #1 pick.
use cunningham in goal and 3rd down situations while blooding him as a backup NFL QB.
see highlights above^^ another great running louisville QB?
 
how about malik willis? a little salt n pepper OFF with another QB to come in on gimmick plays ala taysom hill
yeah well our OFF could use some seasoning. a little spice. Its pretty bland.our trick play is a TE screen.
one of these maliks would be good.

 
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