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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Wow. Just got done listening to Mary Kay on pre game show. She said "Baker's team" is suggesting that the Browns are going to have to make him happy for him to stay. Because you know, he is so great and everything. He is not at all happy with the offensive scheme they are running and blames that on his horrific play. We heard rumblings a few weeks back that Baker wasn't getting along with Stefanski. Truth be told nothing is ever Baker's fault, just ask him. 😆

Let's just fire them both so we can take advantage of this Superbowl caliber roster. Let me call plays, guaranteed playoffs.

These people are clowns, starting at the top.
 
Not a big "I told you so" guy because that would get very repetitive and annoying with as much as I am right. And of course not trying to brag, because I truly wish I would be wrong about some of this shit.

Where all my short QB supporters? I know you are out there. You have been breathlessly arguing with me for four years about how great it is to have a short QB. I almost laughed when they pointed out today that Baker has the most batted down balls in the NFL since he entered the league. Height doesn't matter guys. Fuck Josh Allen he can't hit the broad side of a barn, we want the short guy with moxie and little man syndrome. At #1. I'm guessing you guys will never learn ...but hopefully some of you do. I guess you either intuitively understand football or you don't. What a waste of 4 years ...2 years of which with a stacked roster. You Haslem enablers are going to send me to my grave without a championship.
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well,you know I agree with you on the height thing,Its inherently problematic being a 6 ft QB in the NFL.
so we had 50 plays and threw 38 times.Its very strange.I read this and Its hard to understand exactly what is going on in berea.
are we trying to get TJ to break #92strahans record? he must be close.again,Im confused.

Monday night felt like an audition tape for Baker Mayfield. The Browns have little else to play for in the final two weeks after being eliminated from playoff contention on Sunday, but they didn't exactly lay down on prime time. Mayfield struggled again, missing throws and getting a little gun-shy following his fifth interception thrown in the last five and a half quarters of football. But instead of turning to Nick Chubb, Kevin Stefanski opted to have Mayfield throw the ball 38 times. He put his already beaten-up quarterback in the line of fire, resulting in nine sacks, including four for T.J. Watt, who turned rookie tackle James Hudson into a human turnstile by the final quarter. Mayfield predictably had a rough go, and his receivers certainly didn't help him, dropping at least five passes (by my count), with the final drop resulting in Mayfield's second interception of the night. He had at least four additional passes batted down at the line by Pittsburgh's defensive front, prompting Browns fans to beg for some designed rollouts (which also didn't work well when called). The whole scene felt a lot like a test in an otherwise meaningless game, with Stefanski sending Mayfield out to prove his worth to the franchise near the end of a massively disappointing season and essentially throwing him to the wolves without much support from Chubb, who finished with 12 carries for 58 yards. Stefanski said afterward Chubb was dealing with a rib issue, explaining his series-long absences, but Stefanski did something similar with Chubb a week earlier in Green Bay. The whole situation has grown from disappointing to strange, and with one week left, it could get even stranger. NFL.com
 
that last sack oofff. that left shoulder must be totally fu%ked now. he wont play CINN
those empty sets today? WTF? I hate it. I would never run a naked shotgun like that unless its hail mary time.forget it.
my biggest worry now is the browns not drafting or trading for a new QB. It would be so fu&king browns to
draft a WR because baker is our QB. Its the stuff of nightmares.the CB beat writers would love that.

 
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WHOA! the baker hate is going off online! the sports media is going to eat his liver tonight.washed down with hateraid.
I guess NFL fans in general have seen enough to draw conclusions. baker might not be here next year.
there does seem to be something brewing in berea. KS fed him to the wolves tonight for real.what will emily think?
cracks are appearing..
 
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