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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Here's the actual Tweet from Baker about MKC's article:



I just happened to hear about it on CBD when I got home from the VA and was like GTFO



Well the Cleveland sports journalists in this town has a history for being germs.. Most notably Tony Grossi and MKC.. Without drama.. They have no story... So I'm not surprised if this were a total fabrication on MKC's part.. I mean hell.. She blocked me on Twitter for calling her out...
 
That cabbage bi^ch! sh&t! for my part apologies to the board for posting her BS.
what? are they trying to tear our team up just for the clicks?
somamabitch!
Sure he is. Do you ever get a sore throat from sucking Stefcuckski off all the time?
very mature rag. you guys who wanna ground up rebuild are nuts. we are doin ok. steady as she goes.
KS is at @ .500 he had a great year.he had a terrible year. we need the stability KS brings.
dont get me wrong I do think the playcalling should be left to a specialist,he should give that away.
the fact that hes been able to manage the game and call plays is pretty bloody impressive.not many NFL HC's can do it.
 
Zach Taylor the bengals HC is up for COTY. After last year when damn near everyone was saying he would be fired, he sucks and they should have drafted an OLineman.

And people here have said KS' COTY season last year is a fluke. But that logic also allows for a bad season just the same as a good season I think, and I thought the same too.
 
That cabbage bi^ch! sh&t! for my part apologies to the board for posting her BS.
what? are they trying to tear our team up just for the clicks?
somamabitch!

very mature rag. you guys who wanna ground up rebuild are nuts. we are doin ok. steady as she goes.
KS is at @ .500 he had a great year.he had a terrible year. we need the stability KS brings.
dont get me wrong I do think the playcalling should be left to a specialist,he should give that away.
the fact that hes been able to manage the game and call plays is pretty bloody impressive.not many NFL HC's can do it.
Except no one is calling is calling for a bottom up rebuild. No one has said that as it is not needed. We have a top 5 roster with a middle of the road QB and an inept front office.

Anyone can go .500 with an elite roster. Shit, look at Marvin Lewis. That guy made an entire career out of bumbling his way to 8-8 most years with elite rosters that should have been going 13-3 and in the AFCC most seasons.

Stefcuckski is the poor man's version of that. He is a puppet, just like Berry. They answer to The Laptop. They need to go before the roster Dorsey built all go elsewhere. It isn't anything close to a rebuild. It is merely hiring competent people to utilize and build off of what this regime inherited.

It is really a very simple concept: Bring in top notch football people. Let them make the decision with Mayfield. Either trade him and picks for Wilson or Rodgers, or rebuild and minimize his weaknesses for next year to franchise his ass and trade him after next season in order to draft the guy. Simple. Straightforward. What competent, in it to win it teams would do.

Or we could just keep The 3 Stooges, let Mayfield have his trade and go 4-12 next year with whatever scrub The Laptops algorithm says is our starting QB.
 
Except no one is calling is calling for a bottom up rebuild. No one has said that as it is not needed. We have a top 5 roster
It isn't anything close to a rebuild.
It is really a very simple concept:
you want to replace the entire FO and coaching staff? THATS A FU*KING REBUILD BRO! :ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL: it is the literal definition of rebuild.
you're playing semantics with this anyway.who cares what the fu&king name is.Its starting over.from no playbook.
yeah the concept is simple.the execution? fu&king complicated.
let Mayfield have his trade
Im not advocating a mayfield move in '22 at all.on the contrary Im against it 100%
I keep telling u numbskulls and poking you in the eye but still you keep on with the pipe dreams.
this is what IS happening.....nothing.everyone important is staying.we are just adding parts.
the last draft was awight but I would hope and expect better. especially in the late rounds. shwartz would have been there in the 5th rd.
 
Manzielthetruth never tires of being wrong.

Changing coaching staffs is not a rebuild. A rebuild is when you start fire selling all of your high paid top level athletes for drafts picks and younger inexpensive pieces. We need a coach in here who gives Baker the best chance to excel. And when he doesn't Excel, isn't a bitch that answers to a 140 pound accountant. Someone who is in the game, part of the ebbs and flows, and not a slave to the computer generated script he is holding.

That would be the right move. Will the Browns make the right move for once? Doubtful.
 
hey buttinski, you're not talking any sense. a rebuild is just roster changes? like I said it doesnt matter anyhow. semantics.
you wont get any of what you want anyway because its just not logical.you guys will never be happy because the browns will never
be perfect.If what you wanted made sense? it might happen.alas there is zero chance and you're smart enough to know it.
you're an outlier man. what you want is radical. I prefer a more conservative approach
BTW I prefer jhonny football or simply "the truth"
 
What you prefer is what we have had for the past 2 decades. This is demonstrative of you always being wrong. Everything you want, we get, and we continue to suck. What I want isn't outlandish or remotely radical. It's basic football. Common sense. I want an alpha head coach that has the chops to handle Baker and build an org that is a perrenial contender. You want to stay the course and cheer on the circus, while always believing that the dumb hicks that took our team hostage are making the right decisions.
 
What you prefer is what we have had for the past 2 decades.
wrong. we won a mofo PO game last year. that is not business as usual. our stars are making probowls. KS won COTY. come on!
this is not "same ol browns" our meh QB got hurt and turned to mehmeh which given the schedule was enough to tip the scale.
like you said we can win with baker.I agree with you but we must have stable leadership to move forward.
you're knee jerking like crazy man.relax.take a handful of oxycontin and chill out. Its just the QB.fix that? we win.simple.
 
Manzielthetruth never tires of being wrong.

Changing coaching staffs is not a rebuild. A rebuild is when you start fire selling all of your high paid top level athletes for drafts picks and younger inexpensive pieces. We need a coach in here who gives Baker the best chance to excel. And when he doesn't Excel, isn't a bitch that answers to a 140 pound accountant. Someone who is in the game, part of the ebbs and flows, and not a slave to the computer generated script he is holding.

That would be the right move. Will the Browns make the right move for once? Doubtful.
Huh? Any full staff change anywhere in the NFL results in new schemes on both sides of the ball and turning over the roster.

You guys give way to much perceived power to Depesta with zero to back up this near conspiracy theory of what all he is running or influencing.

What computer generated script is being followed on game day? Please tell me you are not being Johnny with thinking the play call sheet that every coach has is some type of analytics script....

I find the whole rants about analytics funny. They have been being used for game planning and scheming long before the media started talking them up. Teams have been charting opponents trends and their own for decades. It's why they watch film, track stats on %s of times plays are used, running directions, tendencies, etc. The only things slightly newer is using analytics for drafting. And even that really wasn't that new. Just made more publicized.
 
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You aren't paying attention. Maybe it's because you have only followed the Browns since Manziel was drafted. It is in fact the same old Browns.
Opinion, not fact.

Imo Same old Browns would be shuffling the deck after having an injury mared season, counting on a limited QB who really wasn't even that good last season despite what PFF would sell you, and a defense with 8 new starters on it.

Last year they over achieved considering all the circumstances. This year they underachieved against expectations, especially offensively. But with a marginal QB and the injuries it's not exactly shocking.
 
Not sure why you feel the need to state opinion not fact. Funny stuff. It's obviously opinion. Same old circus. Same old QB troubles. Same old drama with beta head coach. Same.old mixed up orgànizational structure. Same old off season drama. Same old, same old.

Last year they underachieved. Had a stellar roster with only a few holes. A historically easy schedule. And on top of that, they didn't have to play any away games really ...no fans in the stands. Should have gone deep into the playoffs last season. We made it there thanks to Stefanski sitting at home.

This year we had a more difficult schedule and played like the same old Browns. Hard to watch. Terrible coaching. Unhappy players. Soap opera. Same.old, same old.
 
I want him to go where hes wanted... Because hes getting shafted here...
The way he's played? Only ones getting shafted are his teammates, former teammates, and the fans who dare call it what it is. Now i hear his wife is saying he won't play in Cleveland again. Typical beta male being told what to do by a woman. I bet her fantasy is to be a "bull dyke".........
 
Not sure why you feel the need to state opinion not fact. Funny stuff. It's obviously opinion. Same old circus. Same old QB troubles. Same old drama with beta head coach. Same.old mixed up orgànizational structure. Same old off season drama. Same old, same old.

Last year they underachieved. Had a stellar roster with only a few holes. A historically easy schedule. And on top of that, they didn't have to play any away games really ...no fans in the stands. Should have gone deep into the playoffs last season. We made it there thanks to Stefanski sitting at home.

This year we had a more difficult schedule and played like the same old Browns. Hard to watch. Terrible coaching. Unhappy players. Soap opera. Same.old, same old.
The beta's will defend the beta's......
 
Not sure why you feel the need to state opinion not fact. Funny stuff. It's obviously opinion. Same old circus. Same old QB troubles. Same old drama with beta head coach. Same.old mixed up orgànizational structure. Same old off season drama. Same old, same old.
Because you stated "It is in fact the same old Browns."

Oh Jesus with the alpha and beta crap. Such nonsense.

Not the same old QB troubles. Still QB troubles, but Baker hasn't been the same as the past ones. He isn't what a team needs to compete year in and out for championships. But he is NFL starter level, which is still above what CLE has had previously. He was also inherited by this staff and FO thanks to the great Dorsey that so many loved.

What drama with KS? The MKC bs story that even Baker shot down?

What mixed up organizational structure?

When was the last time the browns off-season drama about needing a QB to take them over the hump? This off-season drama is like the LAR off-season drama last year. Except CLE didn't make the mistake of extending their QB when they shouldn't have.
 
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