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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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The way he's played? Only ones getting shafted are his teammates, former teammates, and the fans who dare call it what it is. Now i hear his wife is saying he won't play in Cleveland again. Typical beta male being told what to do by a woman. I bet her fantasy is to be a "bull dyke".........
Wow, just wow.
 
Last year they underachieved. Had a stellar roster with only a few holes. A historically easy schedule. And on top of that, they didn't have to play any away games really ...no fans in the stands. Should have gone deep into the playoffs last season. We made it there thanks to Stefanski sitting at home.
They did win a playoff game on the road in pit last year. Yet KS gets no credit for that win. However, he gets credit for somehow HC'ing in the loss to LV this year even though he wasn't there. So, which is it? Credit for the loss and not the playoff win? Or, credit for the playoff win and not the loss?

Either way it's convoluted BS.

To me he set up the coaches as he should have and let them run the show while he was away. They won a game and they lost a game. Both due to his schemes that the coaches carried out in his absence.
 
By what metric did they underachieve last year? Serious question cause after last year all I heard was how well the season went coming off a season of shit/covid and a new rookie HC having to manage all that for the first time not to mention players learning all new schemes via zoom meetings.


I already repeatedly explained why. Stellar roster. Easiest schedule in history. No fans in the stands. I said it at the end of last year. Fools gold. This year would.be the real tell. And boy did it tell us.
 
Why masters, the term beta seems to offend you. Im not aplogizing to you......
I am offended any grown adult, especially at your age even uses either of those terms the way you do. Here is a news flash if you are going to throw those around or think you know what they mean, no one gets to the NFL level as a player or a coach by being what you seem to think is a "beta" personality.
 
I am offended any grown adult, especially at your age even uses either of those terms the way you do. Here is a news flash if you are going to throw those around or think you know what they mean, no one gets to the NFL level as a player or a coach by being what you seem to think is a "beta" personality.
Not always true. See McDaniels BB's coffee fetcher. :p
 
I am offended any grown adult, especially at your age even uses either of those terms the way you do. Here is a news flash if you are going to throw those around or think you know what they mean, no one gets to the NFL level as a player or a coach by being what you seem to think is a "beta" personality.
You need to stop taking the hormone blockers dude.......
 
There are endless examples of coaches who have lasted in the NFL by being betas. But please don't be clown yourself by calling McDaniels a beta. Stefanski, for sure beta. Schumer, for sure beta. Many examples of beta all over the league. That one gay DL accountant we had playing for us ...beta. 😆🎯
 
I'm not a McDaniels guy, but I would definitely support him if he were to ever be a HC here and I'd give him at least three years to get shit going. Same for KS.
 
There are endless examples of coaches who have lasted in the NFL by being betas. But please don't be clown yourself by calling McDaniels a beta. Stefanski, for sure beta. Schumer, for sure beta. Many examples of beta all over the league. That one gay DL accountant we had playing for us ...beta. 😆🎯
We have had multiple beta males right here in Cleveland as proof of beta males making it in the NFL: Pat Shurmer, Tom Heckert, Dickless Jauron, DePodesta, Sashi Brown, Hue Jackson, Andrew Berry, Stefcuckski...

As for the McDaniels comment, it is hilarious the amount of not only ignorance going around but also this whole "my girlfriend vs your girlfriend" approach people have towards their effeminate, SJW, barely closeted homosexual savior Kevin Stefcuckski. Anyways...

No it isn't conspiracy theory to point out that DePodesta is running the show. It was widely reported upon the Cuckski hiring by those with insiders in Berea that he would be taking his playbooks and schemes to The Laptop for approval first and that The Laptop would be designing the plays. Those close to New England with their finger on that pulse were ALSO reporting the reason McDaniels turned down the job was because he would have to answer to a clueless accountant and seek his approval for everything first.

But hey, I get it. gotta defend The Laptop and his two puppets at all costs. I mean, it worked so well before, right? Remember last time when The Laptops algorithm said Mahommes wasn't a 1st round QB so we made no effort to draft him and instead drafted a SPARQY boy with our 2nd 1st round pick then took that QB The Laptop said was better than Mahommes in the 2nd round?

Yeah, keep on trying to sell that pile of dog hsit as a pot of gold, fellas ...
 
We have had multiple beta males right here in Cleveland as proof of beta males making it in the NFL: Pat Shurmer, Tom Heckert, Dickless Jauron, DePodesta, Sashi Brown, Hue Jackson, Andrew Berry, Stefcuckski...

As for the McDaniels comment, it is hilarious the amount of not only ignorance going around but also this whole "my girlfriend vs your girlfriend" approach people have towards their effeminate, SJW, barely closeted homosexual savior Kevin Stefcuckski. Anyways...

No it isn't conspiracy theory to point out that DePodesta is running the show. It was widely reported upon the Cuckski hiring by those with insiders in Berea that he would be taking his playbooks and schemes to The Laptop for approval first and that The Laptop would be designing the plays. Those close to New England with their finger on that pulse were ALSO reporting the reason McDaniels turned down the job was because he would have to answer to a clueless accountant and seek his approval for everything first.

But hey, I get it. gotta defend The Laptop and his two puppets at all costs. I mean, it worked so well before, right? Remember last time when The Laptops algorithm said Mahommes wasn't a 1st round QB so we made no effort to draft him and instead drafted a SPARQY boy with our 2nd 1st round pick then took that QB The Laptop said was better than Mahommes in the 2nd round?

Yeah, keep on trying to sell that pile of dog hsit as a pot of gold, fellas ...
Glad you remind me of your manliness. Again.

Yeah I dont care about Podesta all that much. I dont think he hired Clueless Hue, but I could be wrong.
Maybe it was strategic plan... pile up picks while sucking for 2 years and max out cap room. Then land a good enough pass rusher, QB and CB and make a playoff run and spend cap space on proven free agents.
Almost worked.
At least turned the lolbrowns into a real team.
Cant blame him for that.
 
Glad you remind me of your manliness. Again.

Yeah I dont care about Podesta all that much. I dont think he hired Clueless Hue, but I could be wrong.
Maybe it was strategic plan... pile up picks while sucking for 2 years and max out cap room. Then land a good enough pass rusher, QB and CB and make a playoff run and spend cap space on proven free agents.
Almost worked.
At least turned the lolbrowns into a real team.
Cant blame him for that.
Except it didn't work. It failed. It resulted in 2 wins in 3 seasons. What worked was taking his power, ousting his puppet regime and allowing an actual football GM to flip 75% of the roster building a team good enough for Championships.
 
I'm not sure if I'm in the minority here, but I think Baker is salvageable. Does he have limitations? Absolutely. However, he was slinging the ball around early in his career and most of us loved him for it. That dime to Jarvis against the Panthers was beautiful, just to name one throw.

Somewhere along the line that gunslinger of a QB disappeared and a scared QB took his place. Does Baker take part of the blame for this? Yes, I believe he does, but I also believe this current regime has completely mindfucked him and stripped him of that Favre-esque quality. I guess where the monkey wrench comes is that if they have been pounding into his head about not taking chances, taking care of the ball, etc... then why is the play calling so fucked? Why does Nick Chubb disappear? Why did they abandon the run at the first sign of being down a TD?

Also, say what you will about the injuries but they are certainly not helping. I don't work for the Browns so I am only going by what I've heard radio guys and analysts say. They all say that Baker's throwing motion is unique and is more of a "torqueing" motion. So I can totally see that non-throwing shoulder affecting how he throws, if the last statement is true. Which, brings up another question... why the fuck did no one have the balls to tell Baker to shut it down by Week 4 at the latest? IMO, Stefanski could have possibly ruined him by not acting like the HC should and tell a guy that he is hurting the team and they would rather he get 100% healthy for next season.

They have already exercised his 5th year option. Get him healthy. Let AVP call the fucking plays if this staff is staying (nothing leads me to believe they won't be back). Get some better WR help in here. Come back with a healthy o-line.

Also, it's before 7AM on a Saturday so this post is probably all over the fucking place.
 
Also, it's before 7AM on a Saturday so this post is probably all over the fucking place.
Not really all over the place. The QB who threw 27 TDs in his rookie season is still on the Browns roster. The coaching staff has changed since then. The roster is still one of the best in the league. Teams have 4 seasons of film of BM and they know his tendencies. A healthy Baker might make it back to the 27 TDs level but the play calling will need to change. Van Pelt needs his chance to be the play caller. Playing to win needs to be for the entire game. One game at a time.
 
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