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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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The Williams ship has sailed. If we are stuck with Stefcuckski for another season bring Zimmer in as DC and when the offense continues to blow kick Stefcuckski to the curb and promote Zimmer to interim HC to finish out the year.
 
Mayfield does not want to be here. He played like shit, he bashed his teammates, he bashed the coaching and he bashed the fans. I can get past bashing the coaches and his teammates. But don't ever bash the fans.......
I disagree on this one.

I don't think Mayfield saying our playcalling got conservative, or Myles Garrett saying we didn't make the necessary adjustments, is bashing. The same for Mayfield questioning why Stefanski let Hudson get mauled all game (Six sacks, I think it was.)

I think these are a pretty common observations which players around the league express regularly but our guys generate headlines if they say. If any of our coaches think such comments crossed the line, they're probably a little thin-skinned for the job.

It's certainly subjective, so I'm not saying you're wrong. As a journalist, I hate press conferences. It's often just media releases being recited, talking points and surface level comments being thrown around, and a desire to look good rather than say anything meaningful or honest. I appreciate Baker's honesty. If you're frustrated about an element of the game, I think it's interesting to hear about it.

As for criticizing the fans, I agree he shouldn't have said anything. But I also understand his frustrations. The guy is playing the worst year of his career, battered to hell, and he's got to face the media 10 minutes after the game and talk about it. I think the moment would get the better of all of us from time to time.
 
The Williams ship has sailed. If we are stuck with Stefcuckski for another season bring Zimmer in as DC and when the offense continues to blow kick Stefcuckski to the curb and promote Zimmer to interim HC to finish out the year.
Id bring Zim in as HC and fire Stephanie anyway! As much as guys like to bash our defense, personally i like how they improved week to week and finished up #6 i think i read.
 
A couple of Andrew Berry's quotes from his press conference:

"It's easy to forget at this point of the year what we've seen with Baker over the past several years," Berry said, via Cleveland.com. "Obviously, he had his most productive season in this offense under Kevin (Stefanski, in 2020). We've been with Baker for a long period -- we know his work ethic, we know his drive, we've seen him [be] a talented passer in this league, and we're looking forward to him getting healthy and continue to make improvements."

"We fully expect Baker to be our starter and bounce back," Berry added.

 

A lot of high praise for Mayfield from Chubb, Teller and Bitonio. Shows the confidence his guys have in him.
If opinions translated to victories, then we'd have something here. Berrys comments on Baker the other day are the kind of comments you expect to hear from a gm. Where are the confidence building comments coming from the rest of the offense and Stefanski? Or will they be released slowly for the next 5 years akin to pfizer releasing data that is for their eyes only........
 
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If opinions translated to victories, then we'd have something here. Berrys comments on Baker the other day are the kind of comments you expect to hear from a gm. Where are the confidence building comments coming from the rest of the offense and Stefanski? Or will they be released slowly for the next 5 years akin to pfizer releasing data that is for their eyes only........

I'm just pointing out the guys seem to have a lot of confidence in Baker Mayfield. I think it reinforces that everyone inside that building know the injuries were the key reason for our struggles, and expects us to bounce back next year.

I just don't think we're the dysfunctional, divided mess that our team is portrayed as.
 
I'm just pointing out the guys seem to have a lot of confidence in Baker Mayfield. I think it reinforces that everyone inside that building know the injuries were the key reason for our struggles, and expects us to bounce back next year.

I just don't think we're the dysfunctional, divided mess that our team is portrayed as.
I hope you're right BDU. I hope you're right.....
 
An interesting veteran update:

Texans fire their HC, David Culley.

The move comes after Miami surprisingly fired HC Brian Flores. What has people interested is Deshaun Watson was rumoured to have had a desire to play in Miami because of Flores. People are now connecting the dots: Flores, a New England product, will be hired by fellow Patriots alum Nick Caserio (Texans GM) to help bring Watson back to the table.

If true, that basically puts to bed any of the grand plans for a veteran acquisition for us. Which is also a boost for us because Pittsburgh will obviously be in the market for a QB.
 
I think Its going to be haskins TBH. they will draft a big name WR in the 1st rd. another team that should have drafted a QB last year

I hope so. Haskins is awful.

I feel bad for the kid. Tremendously talented, but entering the league after just one season of playing in college was a poor move. He should have stayed another year or two.
 
I hope so. Haskins is awful.

I feel bad for the kid. Tremendously talented, but entering the league after just one season of playing in college was a poor move. He should have stayed another year or two.


Haskins is much like Fields... They make mental gaffes in the Pro's that they could get away with in college...
 




Some interesting content on the guy who I seem to like more than most pundits.

Ridder is such an interesting player. He's got AFC North size at 6'4, 215 but has plus mobility and a strong arm. When I watch him play, I see a kid who processes information extremely well and has come leaps and bounds with his footwork and mechanics. Overall, a very fundamentally sound player who consistently makes the right read and a good throw.

He's just one of those guys who makes his team better, and himself seems to get better and better every season. Even when he struggles, such as the Alabama game posted or we could go back to his sophomore performance against the Buckeyes, he's not unimpressive when massively overpowered. I included his game against Alabama because he had a number of drops, including two touchdowns, and played incredibly well against a team which was just far and away better - watching their OL get dominated as painful, but there wasn't a whole lot he could do about it despite his best efforts.

His biggest question mark as been both ability and willingness to attack downfield. He's got a big arm, but hasn't been the most accurate pushing it downfield. He's also not been the most pressing on that front, willing to attack the field.

He's, overall, very good. Which is a knock. There isn't anything you can point to as making him an elite player. In that capacity, he reminds me of an Alex Smith type player. All the tools, and he seems to have it upstairs, but the question lingers why he didn't take over more often. Every game he seemed to always do enough, do his job, but he lacked consistent playmaking to set him apart. Most people have him behind Kenny Pickett - despite having a more consistent college career, Pickett took over this year and made countless big plays.

So my question on Ridder is can he take over, can he find that aggression and command a passing attack? He's got the tools, and we saw flashes of that this year. And that's one thing I like in college quarterbacks - did you get better? Who knows.

Cleveland might be a good situation for Ridder if he could develop behind Mayfield for a year, getting a little more time to find his feet. For a guy like him, the secret to success might be finding confidence through preparation. If he falls in the draft, he could be an option.
 
An interesting veteran update:

Texans fire their HC, David Culley.

The move comes after Miami surprisingly fired HC Brian Flores. What has people interested is Deshaun Watson was rumoured to have had a desire to play in Miami because of Flores. People are now connecting the dots: Flores, a New England product, will be hired by fellow Patriots alum Nick Caserio (Texans GM) to help bring Watson back to the table.

If true, that basically puts to bed any of the grand plans for a veteran acquisition for us. Which is also a boost for us because Pittsburgh will obviously be in the market for a QB.

Shows how little I know. Rapoport reporting the decision to move on from Culley does not change the position on Deshaun Watson. Watson's issue reportedly has nothing to do with any coach or GM - his issue is with ownership, a perceived disrespect towards him as a player and he is remaining steadfast in his vow to never play for the Houston Texans again.

The most recent updates on Watson include:

- Miami is widely believed to have had a trade in place for Watson, which included three first round picks, but it fell through because of the lawsuits hanging over Watson's head.
- Houston has a target of trading him prior to 2022 free agency, March 16. Trades cannot formally be made before then, but can be negotiated.
- The grand jury probe is expected to conclude later this month.

So he could still be on the market. Which could impact us in two ways: Either the Browns make a move, which Albert Breer has previously reported. He said he "absolutely believes" the Browns will be a player for Watson, and called it an educated guess. Personally, I'm not sure this front office would be willing to part with so much draft capital - and it's hard to say what value Mayfield would earn in such a trade. Given his poor play and need for a contract, I would assume not much - although it was reported the Patriots, while Nick Caserio was still there, loved Mayfield and explored trading up for him.

The other possibility is Pittsburgh makes a play for him. They've been consistently linked to a trade, but seemingly more because of obvious need rather than any knowledge of direct interest.
 
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