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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Holy shit that IS interesting. Rodgers needs to be reminded of that relentlessly.

As far as Fox goes, there are three decent sports personalities in Cleveland, the rest are absolute trash. Fox is one of the good ones. He is not a journalist. Someone tweeted at him saying he bet he would never tell Baker to his face that he didn't think he was good enough. Fox responded saying he absolutely would have no problem doing so and tagged Baker. Of course Fox had been threatened, doxxed, canceled for the 24 hours prior because he dared to say we need to trade for a better QB after watching playoffs. Baker bros are a joke. Team over player.
 
Selling the farm for Kirk Cousins would be such a Browns move. At most he's a minor upgrade from Mayfield but it'll cost $45M, draft picks and the capital surrendered will force us to offer him a long-term contract extension at top dollar.

There is nothing redeeming about that move. At all. Kirk Cousins is not the guy.
 
Selling the farm for Kirk Cousins would be such a Browns move. At most he's a minor upgrade from Mayfield but it'll cost $45M, draft picks and the capital surrendered will force us to offer him a long-term contract extension at top dollar.

There is nothing redeeming about that move. At all. Kirk Cousins is not the guy.
I have to tell you what pisses me off about this team, and since I don't get news feeds for other teams, maybe this is universal, but here it goes.

I am not a Mayfield fan, but the guy is a human being. All these media stories about possible trades, possible replacements, while I understand are part of the offseason culture, have to be damaging to the morale of Browns players. If the Browns are standing steady with Baker Mayfield, then they should (must) issue a public statement and put all this horseshit to rest.

If I own the Browns and I have my mind made up on the QB, then everyone within shouting distance would know that he is the guy. I think for sure the players and especially the QB need to hear this. Otherwise, I cannot see how this motivates or has the players feeling good about their team.

Conversely, if the organization has already made the position known to the players and purposely is not telling the fans, for whatever reason, that blows dead horse penis.

Personally, for all I care, Rogers, Brady, Cousins, Mariotta and the rest of these can fuck off. We don't need any more assholes coming toe Cleveland to ride out their career and milk the team for a paycheck.
 
Selling the farm for Kirk Cousins would be such a Browns move. At most he's a minor upgrade from Mayfield but it'll cost $45M, draft picks and the capital surrendered will force us to offer him a long-term contract extension at top dollar.

There is nothing redeeming about that move. At all. Kirk Cousins is not the guy.

100% with you on this BDU. If the Browns move on from Mayfield then they move on, but Kirk Cousins is an awful replacement.
 
Maybe the dude with the long name likes Baker more than we do. Maybe he trades Cousins straight up for Baker ....gleefully.

I do think Cousins is much better than Baker. That being said, at least there is still some outside chance that Baker starts being able to see the field and get rid.of the ball on time. Long shot, but he is still young.
 
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Selling the farm for Kirk Cousins would be such a Browns move. At most he's a minor upgrade from Mayfield but it'll cost $45M, draft picks and the capital surrendered will force us to offer him a long-term contract extension at top dollar.

There is nothing redeeming about that move. At all. Kirk Cousins is not the guy.
I agree with you there, Cousins isn't nor will he ever be the answer.
 
I like it. Despite what many here may believe. A definite upgrade. Is this team built to win now? If so we have a better chance with Cousins than Mayfield. Dont worry about the money either. Haslam is a billionaire. Its not my money. I want a SuperBowl! Not 10 years from now, not 5 years from now......
 
I am not a Mayfield fan, but the guy is a human being. All these media stories about possible trades, possible replacements, while I understand are part of the offseason culture, have to be damaging to the morale of Browns players. If the Browns are standing steady with Baker Mayfield, then they should (must) issue a public statement and put all this horseshit to rest.

When MKC originally stated there was tension between Mayfield and Stefanski, both Mayfield and Stefanski denied it. Stefanski spoke very highly of Mayfield, his talent level and was very open about how much it took out of him to play as injured as he was. He certainly seemed to think Mayfield would be back next year.

Andrew Berry openly said Baker would be the Browns starting QB next year and also said this:

"It's easy to forget at this point of the year what we've seen with Baker over the past several years," Berry said. "We've been with Baker for a long period -- we know his work ethic, we know his drive, we've seen him [be] a talented passer in this league, and we're looking forward to him getting healthy and continue to make improvements."

"We're looking forward to Baker getting healthy in the offseason," Berry said, "and then putting in good work through the spring and with his coaches for having the type of season that we know he can have."

"Baker, he's team-oriented, he's a competitor, he's super tough," Berry said. "And he truly wants what's best for the team and really to take the steps he needs to improve to become the quarterback that we know that he can become."


They couldn't have realistically done more to put it to rest. It's rare you'll ever see a team be so open and explicit about their intentions. But, like you said, part of the offseason culture is going crazy with trades, free agency, drafts and controversy.

You never say never, but I'd put it at a 95 per cent chance Mayfield is back next year to show what he can do.
 
Here's the question you have to ask yourself if you are Berry, Stefanski, Laptop and Haslam. (Ok forget Haslam) Does Mayfield give us a better chance to get to the Superbowl now? Or does Cousins? One way or another, i believe right now we are a qb away from a SuperBowl. And being only a player or 2 away won't last for long in the "not for long" league......
 
When MKC originally stated there was tension between Mayfield and Stefanski, both Mayfield and Stefanski denied it. Stefanski spoke very highly of Mayfield, his talent level and was very open about how much it took out of him to play as injured as he was. He certainly seemed to think Mayfield would be back next year.

Andrew Berry openly said Baker would be the Browns starting QB next year and also said this:

"It's easy to forget at this point of the year what we've seen with Baker over the past several years," Berry said. "We've been with Baker for a long period -- we know his work ethic, we know his drive, we've seen him [be] a talented passer in this league, and we're looking forward to him getting healthy and continue to make improvements."

"We're looking forward to Baker getting healthy in the offseason," Berry said, "and then putting in good work through the spring and with his coaches for having the type of season that we know he can have."

"Baker, he's team-oriented, he's a competitor, he's super tough," Berry said. "And he truly wants what's best for the team and really to take the steps he needs to improve to become the quarterback that we know that he can become."


They couldn't have realistically done more to put it to rest. It's rare you'll ever see a team be so open and explicit about their intentions. But, like you said, part of the offseason culture is going crazy with trades, free agency, drafts and controversy.

You never say never, but I'd put it at a 95 per cent chance Mayfield is back next year to show what he can do.
This was a great post. I have a ton of shit going on and to be honest, I have never devoted a lot of time to following who said what, and did what. A place like this is a great Readers Digest and a source for information. As I expressed, whatever Baker is, is our guy. All this rumor shit is total garbage.

Some of us thought pulling Baker and getting him fixed would have been better at he woudl be ready for the season. Some resident medical expert here laughed and insisted that it would take a long, long time for Baker to be ready. For his recovery schedule, it looks like pulling him in week 8 or so would have had him ready to the playoffs.

I have taken my shots at Mayfield, but as I posted elsewhere, Cousins, Mariotta, Rogers adn the rest of them will never be a Brown...I don't want to see any of them on the team. They can all go fuck off.
 
Here's the question you have to ask yourself if you are Berry, Stefanski, Laptop and Haslam. (Ok forget Haslam) Does Mayfield give us a better chance to get to the Superbowl now? Or does Cousins? One way or another, i believe right now we are a qb away from a SuperBowl. And being only a player or 2 away won't last for long in the "not for long" league......

I think Mayfield gives us a similar chance.

I think we forget he's still developing and growing as we build around him. We have a propensity to compare our quarterbacks, or our players in general, to the best players across the league. But that progression isn't always linear. This year it's Stafford, but before that it was Lamar Jackson. He has to be the best, always, even if very few players are always the best. Even if, historically speaking, his first three years in the league were a positive indication - and his fourth was undoubtedly impacted by injury.

What I'm getting at is I don't think we've seen the best version of Mayfield, and we're only doing ourselves harm when we're always looking at who is doing better - even if they were not always doing better.

Baker hasn't had it easy. He was drafted to a team which won a single game in two years. He started behind a bad OL. He's dealt with an unnatural number of coaching overturn, he's dealt with learning a new offense during a pandemic, and now he's dealt with injuries not only to himself but to a significant number of contributors on offense. I just don't think anyone would reach best-in-the-league status under those circumstances.

I'm still disappointed because Mayfield was playing really well to start the season. It wasn't until after the injuries mounted (Notably the Cardinals game) that it all went downhill. At that point we were 3-2, and our two losses saw the offense score 29 and 42 points - definitely not games I'd point to them as the cause of our losing. In three of those games he averaged over 9.5 YPA, completed at least 70 per cent of his passes and looked far more in control. And those games we were already missing guys like Landry (Who Baker had completed 100 per cent of his passes to) and Wills at that point.

I don't think it's outlandish to think we haven't seen the best of Baker - at least in terms of giving him another year at just $18 million.

I'll also disagree on our window being not for long. We have an extremely talented young core and we've done a nice job of adding talent in recent years. I don't get the frustrations with the front office. We're coming off a year in which we made some smart signings at a reasonable price, we've got talent locked down for years to come and we added three players in the draft who made the all rookie team - including JOK, who looks like an absolute star - so we're adding new talent each year.

As for Cousins himself, I think you could argue he has a slight edge over Mayfield right now. But he's a veteran who has settled in to his role. I like Cousins, but I don't like paying him $45 million and having to lock him down at that price for the foreseeable future.

Baker might not be the guy, but he's currently easy to move on from. Cousins might not be the guy, and he'll be impossible to move on from.
 
Still developing? Now that is a big LOL right there. If he ain’t developed by year 5 or 6 this beta cuck ain’t got a chance to be developed. He makes the same mistakes over and over and over
Yeah, that part caught my eye as well. One could use the old argument that it takes 5 years to build a QB, but I never believed that shit to begin with. I always thought it was an excuse so the guy who drafted a loser could keep his job for 5 years.

I personally think Mayfield is a bust. For a variety of reasons that unfortunately for us, have absolutely nothing to do with putting the best team on the field, it seems a foregone conclusion that Mayfield will be the #1 QB when the season begins. This seeds a couple irritating things in my brain.

#1 - I hate it when things like salary, time to develop, rebuilding, etc. and not, what has to be done to win games drives team decisions. We aren't focused on winning, we are focused on doing right by Mayfield. I just don't get it.

#2 - I don't know what Mayfield's mental toughness is. Right now the Browns are his team. He is king of the hill. That position gives everyone confidence. If we brought in a well established veteran, like Cousins, the team surely becomes a mosh pit cluster fuck. Cousins is not going to want to sit on the bench for Mayfield, and Mayfield likely would be distracted and maybe depressed if the Browns bring in someone like that.

So the dilemma. All eggs in the Baker Basket and have no real plan for a replacement? Bring on someone and have a competition, which will leave someone unhappy. Just get Baker the fuck out of Cleveland and plug in someone who can win?

#3 is my preference. I think we have had enough of this fucktard.
 
Still developing? Now that is a big LOL right there. If he ain’t developed by year 5 or 6 this beta cuck ain’t got a chance to be developed. He makes the same mistakes over and over and over

I'm just past that old belief that a quarterback doesn't get any better after his 3rd year. It's too robotic and Madden-esque for my taste.

Most importantly, Mayfield had to learn three new offenses in his first four years, and one of those he had to learn online because of a global pandemic. And I'd argue the 2021 season was a lost year due to his injuries which prevented him from playing the way he can play. It's a unique circumstance which I do think extends the timeline for his development.

We're not hoping a bad quarterback becomes good with time. Baker has already played at a high level and led the team to the playoffs. We've already seen improvement. What we want is more consistency and more polish, and I wouldn't write him off as being able to achieve that.

And, I do think some of the surrounding skill has held us back. I love Landry, but he's limited. The same for Higgins. DPJ has been developing. Odell and Hooper have been disappointing independent of Mayfield, in my opinion. I think we need to upgrade the receiver position, and the TE position if we can't re-sign Njoku and use him more. And we need to use them.

Maybe we can boost our surrounding talent this offseason. Maybe Baker, who is clearly pissed off, puts in a tonne of work to be great. Who knows, but I do think our passing game can take strides.
 

I am starting to think that you don't understand football. Yes, you have the stats....but you forgot the asterisks

* Had multiple coordinators
* Was upset over Social Media
*Is sill learning
* ( Insert other excuses)

To me, this table is all that needs to be said. Mayfield is average. Even dickheads on TBB could draft #1 #1 and find an average QB.

My impression is that the Browns, like most teams want a franchise QB. There is no way to slice this pie that does not result in the piece you get coming out average.

I would add to this that in those things many refer to as championship moments, when the game truly is his to win, he fizzles. I don't know if I have ever witnessed a QB who just does not ever make big, game clinching plays.

All the trade rumors give me motion sickness, and honestly, I have ADD when it comes to following them all. But I would rather have a journeyman for a few years while we try to find a franchise guy, than watch this Mayfield asshole earn more asterisks.
 
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