It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.



Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

(yes another QB thread)

 

[johnnycomelately]

I'm just past that old belief that a quarterback doesn't get any better after his 3rd year. It's too robotic and Madden-esque for my taste.

Most importantly, Mayfield had to learn three new offenses in his first four years, and one of those he had to learn online because of a global pandemic. And I'd argue the 2021 season was a lost year due to his injuries which prevented him from playing the way he can play. It's a unique circumstance which I do think extends the timeline for his development.

We're not hoping a bad quarterback becomes good with time. Baker has already played at a high level and led the team to the playoffs. We've already seen improvement. What we want is more consistency and more polish, and I wouldn't write him off as being able to achieve that.

And, I do think some of the surrounding skill has held us back. I love Landry, but he's limited. The same for Higgins. DPJ has been developing. Odell and Hooper have been disappointing independent of Mayfield, in my opinion. I think we need to upgrade the receiver position, and the TE position if we can't re-sign Njoku and use him more. And we need to use them.

Maybe we can boost our surrounding talent this offseason. Maybe Baker, who is clearly pissed off, puts in a tonne of work to be great. Who knows, but I do think our passing game can take strides.

Rodgers is a prime example of that. Unfortunately for us, mayfield ain’t Rodgers!

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

<<I'm just past that old belief that a quarterback doesn't get any better after his 3rd year. It's too robotic and Madden-esque for my taste.>>

How do you feel about the REALITY that our QB gotten worse as he has gained more experience?

<Most importantly, Mayfield had to learn three new offenses in his first four years, and one of those he had to learn online because of a global pandemic.>

None of those offenses required him to miss open receivers, throw interceptions and hang on to the ball too long.

The problem is not that Mayfield had to learn three new offenses, the problem is that he didn't learn three new offenses.

<<And I'd argue the 2021 season was a lost year due to his injuries which prevented him from playing the way he can play. It's a unique circumstance which I do think extends the timeline for his development.>>

Nope. You get the RAZZZZZ button on this. All season long Mayfield said his injuries did not affect his play. The Head Coach did not pull Mayfield because of his injuries. The Medical staff did not say one single time that Mayfield's injuries were an issue. Furthermore, the NFL's rules on injured players playing never once threatened Baker being played.

You cannot deny injury all season long and then blame injury for your shit performance afterwards. We would have gone to the playoffs it it was Mayfield's right shoulder that was fubar, and everyone here knows that.

<<We're not hoping a bad quarterback becomes good with time.>>

Neither am I. That's why people of my thinking want this fucker gone.

<< Baker has already played at a high level and led the team to the playoffs. We've already seen improvement.>>

Are you sitting close to a farting dog? Get some fresh air and try posting again. What you saw this year was not improvement.

<<What we want is more consistency and more polish, and I wouldn't write him off as being able to achieve that.>>

I don't own a football team, but I do own a consulting company and a company that produces a new, patented filtration technology. I have a really simple policy on hiring, firing and promoting people. If someone produces good results and delivers a good work product, I promote them and do whatever I can to keep them around. I don't try to dissect what they do so I can quantify it and give it to others. I stay the fuck out of their way and let them deliver, even if they are covered with tattoos, piercings and believe in Global Warming.

Likewise, when someone is shit, and does not deliver, I don't spend time analyzing them, creating programs for improvement, and working with them to become an ideal performer. I get rid of them.

Herein lies the problem with Jimmy Haslam, the Browns and with thinking like yours. The Browns are a football team, and not a rehabilitation and vocational training center. Until they realize that and act accordingly they will remain a frustrated and failed franchise.

OBJ is a very good example. Many here hate him and right here on this board are many posts talking about the steps that woudl have to be taken for him to become an acceptable player. The Rams however, didn't spend one fucking moment trying to retrain, redevelop or otherwise reprogram the guy. They simply plugged him in and let him go catch passes. By the way, he had to learn a new offense too, didn't he? Or did the Browns let him take ShitMyPantski's playbook with him?

There is a required path to have a chance at success for the Browns, or really any NFL team

1) Find out who performs and let them do their thing. Design situations that help them and stay the fuck out of their way. They came to camp as stars and were hired because of their individual skill menu. Don't Fuck with them.

2) Stop wasting time trying to make shit players into the guys above. Devote time and energy to those who produce. Cut the shit loose.

<<And, I do think some of the surrounding skill has held us back. I love Landry, but he's limited. The same for Higgins. DPJ has been developing. Odell and Hooper have been disappointing independent of Mayfield, in my opinion. I think we need to upgrade the receiver position, and the TE position if we can't re-sign Njoku and use him more. And we need to use them.>>

I thought Berry was a fucking genius? Didn't our horse teeth Mensa tell us that? Do you think we could just fire all those guys and replace them with big, motorized, remote control Costco shopping carts and then buzz them around the field as receivers? You know, like they do on those QB challenge programs.

<<Maybe we can boost our surrounding talent this offseason.>>

You have fallen 100% into the parody I responded to "The Best Players Play" with. You made an entire post filled with asteriks. Everything you have posted relates to turning the Browns into a rehab center with the sole purpose of rebuilding Baker Mayfield. What about what the other players needs? What about what the team needs?

Maybe Baker, who is clearly pissed off, puts in a tonne of work to be great. Who knows, but I do think our passing game can take strides.>>

So what you re saying is that up until this point Baker Mayfield has not cared, and he has been lazy? You are saying he has not been putting in a ton of work? You see, THIS is a fantasy that you have created to satisfy your worship image of Mayfield. You are making shit up. Everyone who has ever reported on Baker Mayfield, UNANIMOUSLY have illuminated his physical toughness and his tireless work ethic.

He is already a workaholic, so what does "putting in hard work" mean?

Your love for Mayfield leaves you posting against your own beliefs. On one hand You infer that Mayfield needs to put in the work and that will make him better. But we know he already puts in the work. So, by your own analysis hard work has not helped Mayfield.

Bro, he is a bust. He is average and ne must be traded or released ASAP.

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

I am going to say it: There is speculation Brady wants to keep playing and wants out of Tampa Bay. He wants his shot with a team built for winning. Cleveland is the perfect fit to permanently cement his legacy as the 2nd greatest QB of all time behind Otto Graham. It would be a fitting end for him to cap his legacy in the house that Otto built.

Of all the stupid shit you have posted over the decades, this, as I pointed out earlier was the dumbest fucking thing of all. Among your other gems were

• Insisting that it was the genius of Romeo Crennel that was responsible for Belichik's success (It was Brady, OFFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS)
• Insisting that it was the genius of Phil Sewage that was responsible for Ozzie's success in Baltimore.

But dude, this last piece of yours truly is the dumbest fucking thing ever posted on a sports message board. I reposted it on Facebook and Zuckerberg banned me for life.

Brady retired.

But hey, keep posting your "Big Boy" wisdom.

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

With no high probability franchise QBs in the 22 draft or FA, does Brady's retirement open a trade potential for Baker Mayfield? Would Tampa take this jackoff of our hands?

 

[Stray Dawg]

With no high probability franchise QBs in the 22 draft or FA, does Brady's retirement open a trade potential for Baker Mayfield? Would Tampa take this jackoff of our hands?

Who you gonna trade for? Or does it matter if they're going after Cousins?

 

[BDU]

Bro, he is a bust. He is average and ne must be traded or released ASAP.

I say this every offseason but don't tell me we don't have a quarterback, tell me who that quarterback is.

Fine, Mayfield is the worst quarterback in the league and we need to cut him. So who are we replacing him with?

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

I say this every offseason but don't tell me we don't have a quarterback, tell me who that quarterback is.

Fine, Mayfield is the worst quarterback in the league and we need to cut him. So who are we replacing him with?

This is also the response of a homer.

No fan, no writer, nobody other than a Browns executive with the authority and position to negotiate a contract can answer such a question. The only thing one can do is give in to all the speculation and prediction bullshit. here are rumors galore about who is available, who might be available, and who wants to come to Cleveland.

Mayfield, and his replacement are two totally independent, non related subjects. You like Mayfield so you want to force the argument that... "ha ha you can't put a deal together and tell me who replaces him" as a way of justifying keeping him. It doesn't work that way.

There are many replacements who would be acceptable to me.

• Give the gig to Keenum and hunt for a franchise guy - Better than Mayfield
• Rogers, Mariotta, Cousins, Carr, etc. - Better than Mayfield
• Draft one of the guys available and give him the team - Better than Mayfield

There is nobody, not even you, who believes that Baker Mayfield will ever take a team to the Superbowl. As "The Best Players" said, if you are okay with winning 7 - 10 games then Mayfield is the guy. But brother, come on, Mayfield isn't the guy for us. He has too many deficiencies. In 2020 opposing defenses didn't know him. He got a lot of zone looks and little blitzing. He had opportunities to run, extend plays and hit wide open receivers.

Those days are gone. When kept in the pocket he is as bad as Kordell Stewart, RG3 or Deshone Kaiser.

Mayfield is a C+ QB. Keenum is a C+ . Get rid of Baker.

 

[BDU]

This is also the response of a homer.

No fan, no writer, nobody other than a Browns executive with the authority and position to negotiate a contract can answer such a question. The only thing one can do is give in to all the speculation and prediction bullshit. here are rumors galore about who is available, who might be available, and who wants to come to Cleveland.

Mayfield, and his replacement are two totally independent, non related subjects. You like Mayfield so you want to force the argument that... "ha ha you can't put a deal together and tell me who replaces him" as a way of justifying keeping him. It doesn't work that way.

There are many replacements who would be acceptable to me.

• Give the gig to Keenum and hunt for a franchise guy - Better than Mayfield
• Rogers, Mariotta, Cousins, Carr, etc. - Better than Mayfield
• Draft one of the guys available and give him the team - Better than Mayfield

There is nobody, not even you, who believes that Baker Mayfield will ever take a team to the Superbowl. As "The Best Players" said, if you are okay with winning 7 - 10 games then Mayfield is the guy. But brother, come on, Mayfield isn't the guy for us. He has too many deficiencies. In 2020 opposing defenses didn't know him. He got a lot of zone looks and little blitzing. He had opportunities to run, extend plays and hit wide open receivers.

Those days are gone. When kept in the pocket he is as bad as Kordell Stewart, RG3 or Deshone Kaiser.

Mayfield is a C+ QB. Keenum is a C+ . Get rid of Baker.

I know it's not your decision but I think it's important to consider what options the front office has available. And I think your post highlights that the options aren't great - minus Rodgers, who we both know is the longest of long shots.

I admit I'm looking on the bright side. Maybe it makes me a homer. But I can't believe anyone truly thinks your list is going to solve our quarterback woes. And doing something desperate just shouldn't be what this team is, in my eyes.

Cousins and Carr are just their own team's Baker Mayfield, but more expensive and they'll want draft picks because we're offering up an injured QB coming off a career low. Mariota is just objectively worse than Mayfield, and nobody being honest thinks otherwise. And this rookie class leaves a lot to be desired. At best, we'd be wise to let the rookie develop while Mayfield finishes out his own rookie deal. I think young quarterbacks being thrown in too soon pick up too many bad habits, lose confidence and don't learn to play the right way.

I'm not sure Mayfield can take this team to a Superbowl. You're 100 per cent right there. But I'm just as sure, if not more so, that Case Keenum, Marcus Mariota, Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins or one of these rookies can't either.

If we have to move on from Mayfield, I want it to be because we find a guy who can lead this franchise and work to build around him based on what is best for him. And I hate to admit it, but I'm just not convinced that's a viable option this offseason.

Like I've said a few times now, I get being pissed at Mayfield. I don't get thinking Case Keenum or Marcus Mariota are franchise quarterbacks.

 

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

The problem with refusing to move on from mediocre is you handcuff your chances at drafting the stud franchise QB we need. This is why we are sitting here looking at all these stud QBs while still trotting out a sub 6 ft, unathletic problem child. I say we trade Baker while people still have in the back of their minds that he only sucked ass because of injury. We don't have the guts, of course. But if we liked a QB in the draft a lot ...do what we can to go.up and get him. Including trading Baker for assets to enrich in that offer.

 

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

Boy do I wish we wouldn't have shirked all logic and drafted Charlie Frye as our franchise QB choice. We saw what franchise QBs do in year 2 today. Here we are going into year 5 and still searching for excuses. What a fucking shame!

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

I know it's not your decision but I think it's important to consider what options the front office has available. And I think your post highlights that the options aren't great - minus Rodgers, who we both know is the longest of long shots.

I admit I'm looking on the bright side. Maybe it makes me a homer. But I can't believe anyone truly thinks your list is going to solve our quarterback woes. And doing something desperate just shouldn't be what this team is, in my eyes.

Cousins and Carr are just their own team's Baker Mayfield, but more expensive and they'll want draft picks because we're offering up an injured QB coming off a career low. Mariota is just objectively worse than Mayfield, and nobody being honest thinks otherwise. And this rookie class leaves a lot to be desired. At best, we'd be wise to let the rookie develop while Mayfield finishes out his own rookie deal. I think young quarterbacks being thrown in too soon pick up too many bad habits, lose confidence and don't learn to play the right way.

I'm not sure Mayfield can take this team to a Superbowl. You're 100 per cent right there. But I'm just as sure, if not more so, that Case Keenum, Marcus Mariota, Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins or one of these rookies can't either.

If we have to move on from Mayfield, I want it to be because we find a guy who can lead this franchise and work to build around him based on what is best for him. And I hate to admit it, but I'm just not convinced that's a viable option this offseason.

Like I've said a few times now, I get being pissed at Mayfield. I don't get thinking Case Keenum or Marcus Mariota are franchise quarterbacks.

Bro, I am really enjoying the back and forth with you. You make a lot of points that are founded in logic and common sense, This is the food of which off season Browns talk is made out of. In a response to this, The Best Players Play (TBPP) echoes my feelings on this. My Father was philosophically black and white, up or down, right or left in everything he did.

He never slammed what it is I wanted to do, but he always maintained that is you have a goal in life, you won't ever achieve it if you engage in behavior that cannot deliver that goal.

I don't believe anyone who watched the playoffs can honestly believe that Baker Mayfield is of the caliber these QBs are. Garapollo, Mahommes, Allen, Stafford, Brady, and the rest all have better skills than Baker. As TBPP said earlier, if your goal is to win 10 games and possibly get into the playoffs, then staying with Mayfield is the play.

If, however, the goal is to win a championship then the time to get rid of Baker is now. It is immediate.

The issue of who we replace him with does not matter. There is no available QB who if acquired guarantees a SB. There has never been such a QB. But if a championship is the goal, then any shot at it, any new QB is better than Mayfield.

Baker is a 100% guarantee that the Browns will never win a championship.

Drafting a kid might only provide a 2% chance to win a SB, but it is at least a chance. Mayfield has to go, and he has to go now. If Haslam didn't vomit in his wife's bush watching Burrow and the Bengals today, then for sure the Browns are doomed to be an annual parody talking point.

I also maintain that Mayfield deflates enthusiasm and proliferates lackadaisical performance in everyone around him.

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

Who you gonna trade for? Or does it matter if they're going after Cousins?

WTF do I know? I just don't want to see Baker any more.

 

[BDU]

Bro, I am really enjoying the back and forth with you. You make a lot of points that are founded in logic and common sense, This is the food of which off season Browns talk is made out of. In a response to this, The Best Players Play (TBPP) echoes my feelings on this. My Father was philosophically black and white, up or down, right or left in everything he did.

He never slammed what it is I wanted to do, but he always maintained that is you have a goal in life, you won't ever achieve it if you engage in behavior that cannot deliver that goal.

I don't believe anyone who watched the playoffs can honestly believe that Baker Mayfield is of the caliber these QBs are. Garapollo, Mahommes, Allen, Stafford, Brady, and the rest all have better skills than Baker. As TBPP said earlier, if your goal is to win 10 games and possibly get into the playoffs, then staying with Mayfield is the play.

If, however, the goal is to win a championship then the time to get rid of Baker is now. It is immediate.

The issue of who we replace him with does not matter. There is no available QB who if acquired guarantees a SB. There has never been such a QB. But if a championship is the goal, then any shot at it, any new QB is better than Mayfield.

Baker is a 100% guarantee that the Browns will never win a championship.

Drafting a kid might only provide a 2% chance to win a SB, but it is at least a chance. Mayfield has to go, and he has to go now. If Haslam didn't vomit in his wife's bush watching Burrow and the Bengals today, then for sure the Browns are doomed to be an annual parody talking point.

I also maintain that Mayfield deflates enthusiasm and proliferates lackadaisical performance in everyone around him.

It's great to have goals, but you need a viable plan to meet those goals. A two percent chance is not viable.

I disagree with the sentiment "any quarterback is better than Mayfield." We've got a guy who is middle of the pack and has flashed the ability to be a top 10 quarterback. He almost led us to a championship game just last season, and he was looking damn good this year before sustaining injury.

That just isn't the kind of guy you release or flippantly move on from because Marcus Mariota is a free agent.

I also think it's unfair to point at most of those guys and say Baker can't be that guy. Baker is objectively a better quarterback than Jimmy Garoppolo already. He has already surpassed him in total production despite being in the league half as long. I doubt anyone in the league would take Garoppolo over Mayfield.

And Matt Stafford is an eerily similar player to Mayfield. He's in year 13 and his production throughout his career has been identical to what Mayfield is doing. He's got a great team around him in a system which fits him to a T. That's one of the reasons I would like to address our WR issues and see Stefanski make improvements to the scheme next season. Best case, we see if Baker take the next step. Worst case, we've got a better overall developed system for the next guy. That's win-win.

I appreciate the anecdote regarding your father's life lessons, but with all due respect, I don't believe that's your motivation. I think your hope for this team is all about vengeance against Mayfield for not being good enough. I don't blame you. We're either going to watch the Bengals or Odell win a Superbowl afte a disappointing season. That sucks. Hard. But I feel like you just want the Browns to move on with a middle finger towards Mayfield, and replace him with a guy who is just there for the sake of replacement.

A shot in the dark. A two per cent chance to win it all. And a 98 per cent chance to set this franchise back years if we end up with a worse quarterback.

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

There is no way Mayfield watched the Rams game with other people and dint't cringe every time OBJ made a play.

The Browns are really good at getting rid of the wrong fucking guy.

 

[jaydog]

The Browns are really good at getting rid of everybody.

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

It is hard to debate against that thought either

 

[MinnyTesteverde]

I appreciate the anecdote regarding your father's life lessons, but with all due respect, I don't believe that's your motivation. I think your hope for this team is all about vengeance against Mayfield for not being good enough. I don't blame you. We're either going to watch the Bengals or Odell win a Superbowl afte a disappointing season. That sucks. Hard. But I feel like you just want the Browns to move on with a middle finger towards Mayfield, and replace him with a guy who is just there for the sake of replacement.

A shot in the dark. A two per cent chance to win it all. And a 98 per cent chance to set this franchise back years if we end up with a worse quarterback.

Buddy, I am so old that my corner neighborhood store sold frankincense My motivation is that I want to see the Browns win a championship before the Grim Reaper finds where i have been hiding at night.

I just don't understand the logic you laid out. Keeping Mayfield because he can maybe win 10 games while we search for a franchise guy is a mentality I would fire an executive for. I don't mean this as an insult, but the QB is the most important position. If they guy is fucked up in any aspect, then the team is also going to be fucked up.

My logic is the logic I have used my entire life. If the goal I see is the SB, and I don't believe Mayfield can ever deliver that, then I am going to give someone else a chance to do what Mayfield clearly cannot. But here is the good news. You and I will get almost another full year to debate this because I just cannot see the Browns not giving the kid the last year of his contract to deliver.

There is no logic doing otherwise.

I also feel bad for the kid, Half the fans hate him and he has to read all the trade rumor stories. Millionaire of not, he is still a human being. The second piece of good news is there is nothing like winning to make everyone love you. If it turns out that next February you are razzing the shit out of, calling me a dumb bastard and saying, " I told ya so", I will be really happy with it.

I just would like the Browns to win one for the Ghoolie!

Take it easy bro. I got a few things to do and won't be around much for a couple days. Keep some wood on the fire.

 

[BDU]

I just don't understand the logic you laid out. Keeping Mayfield because he can maybe win 10 games while we search for a franchise guy is a mentality I would fire an executive for. I don't mean this as an insult, but the QB is the most important position. If they guy is fucked up in any aspect, then the team is also going to be fucked up.

I just think the math is wrong.

"Baker sucks because he's not Tom Brady, so we should trade up for Kenny Pickett!"

I do think you underrate Mayfield. It's not an awful quarterback. He hasn't proven to be elite, but he's way better than just being a guy you release. And I feel like the options to replace him aren't great.

Like I said, I think you're frustrated and just want to get rid of him - doesn't matter who with, even if they're worse.

 

[The Haymaker]

I would fire an executive for. I don't mean this as an insult, but the QB is the most important position. If they guy is fucked up in any aspect, then the team is also going to be fucked up.

I understand your point but we need the kid.hes going to be here so..lets just see how he goes.
BUT, hes going to have to come out with fireballs blasting from his eyeballs and lightning shooting from his fingertips.
I mean hes going to have to impress right away and play not as well but better then he ever has played before.
why? because we have seen enough (as has the FO and staff) I mean once people think you might fu&k something up.and you do?
thats your ass.there will be no 2nd chances for baker boy.this will be it for him in the NFL as a starter. sink or backstroke buddy boy.
see the bengals come back from 3-21? well,they cant do it running the football aye? we must have better QB play somehow.
the time of successful running NFL teams are now sadly over.
the biggest mistake this FO could make is not having a plan B QB waiting in the wings. not case fu*king keenum.

 

[The Haymaker]

"Baker sucks because he's not Tom Brady, so we should trade up for Kenny Pickett!"

how bout? baker is coming off a severe injury and may not play at his best when he returns.
and even If he does what If he takes another shot like the one watt gave him and goes back on IR 4 games in?
so we dont trade up,we take the best QB we can that falls to #13 and then the best WR left on the board at #44
we sit the kid for a year behind BM and hope we dont have to play him. better to have and not need than need and not have huh?
in short? we do what every fu*king well run organisation in the NFL does at a time like this. I dont understand why Its so controversial.