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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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Just measured mine. 8" LOL. I always had problems passing a football.
 
We draft at QB #1. In three years, we churn him through three different head coaches (One is already out of the league completely, another may be out of the league next year after being demoted to a TE coach) and they all run very difference offenses. Then in year four, we play him despite the fact he suffered an injury which puts other players on IR - and we get enraged that his level of play declines.

And the most insane part is he plays well. He doesn't live up to the top five players in the league, but he objectively has played at a productive level. But we're just sick of seeing him. Release him. Replace him with either veterans who haven't played as well as he has and are available as a result, or draft from a quarterback class which realistically may have every team in the top 10 passing on them because it's widely believed to be a pretty crappy class.

But it's okay. He's a bad person because he recently stated he wants to spend less time on social media because he doesn't want to read the perfectly balanced, fair and civil death threats he and his wife are getting. I mean, he doesn't want to read about how much he sucks and should be traded. I mean, because he's childish. I agree with you guys, I'm sick of these entitled players these days spending such little time on Twitter. I want a real quarterback who spends most of his time on Twitter. It's what leaders do.

The only real answer we have is to fire the coach, release Baker, hire a new coach and draft a rookie QB who'll have that coach for at least 10 games because we do value continuity.

Make it make sense.
You think he played well? Didnt he finish in the bottom 5 or something? Personally i dont really care about stats other than the win loss stat. What i cannot get past is his win loss record against teams with winning records. And 4th quarter wins. He sucks in both of those categories.......
 
Just measured mine. 8" LOL. I always had problems passing a football.
How?!

From the base to the tip?

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Nah. Franchise QBs don't churn through coaches, they elevate them. Franchise QBs don't churn through OL and WRs, they elevate them. etc etc. Baker is a coach killer. He has been put in an offense he prefers, he failed. He has been put in a conservative offense that limits him greatly and cuts down on his bone headed turnovers, he failed. He just fails. Case Keenum has seen more flashes of being a franchise QB than Baker Mayfield has. Flashes. Case Keenum is not a franchise QB. Baker Mayfield is a limited QB. Will make a good backup.
It is amazing how Tom Brady wen to Tampa and it only took 4 years to get him accustomed to a new system. It is equally amazing that in only took 4 years for Matthew Stafford to gel with his new coaches and system. YES YES YES.........We must sit on our own balls for 4 years while our dickehead QB fucks up everything and everyone in sight.

Sadly in Cleveland it is not the 4 years it takes to develop a QB that makes the Browns a laughing stock, it is the 4 years it takes for the organization to realize that it has made a huge fucking mistake.

A franchise QB immediately changes the fortunes of a football team. Mayfield puts other teams into the playoffs. He is the biggest pile of shit since his twin from Texas.
 
<<I geddit ghoulie is one extreme>>
As a lifelong fan and personal friend of Ernie, I adotpted his true moniker which is "Ghoolie". He rebuked the letter u and in carrying on for him, I do to. Please, when insulting me or calling me extreme; or even when bowing down to say I was right, please be respectful to the legend Ghoulardi....who prefered Ghoolardi.... And call me Ghoolie :)


but man,you are the other BDU. poor baker. you both sound totally OTT.
the kids going to have his chance to prove us all wrong as will you BDU. good luck. I hope the kid does it again. Im doubtfully optimistic.
does BDU stand for bakers distraught uncle?
Run first QBs, like Mayfield, Mahomo, RG III, Tarkenton, and the rest will always leave you holding a bucket of shit. Once opposing defenses realized that Mayfiled cannot win if he is in the pocket, his 15 minutes of fame evaporated. Same shit with Mahomo; he has become the bitch of the AFC championship game.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, look at the Mayfield numbers, look at the stats. Fuck that. I say, look at the TV screen because that is the only way Mayfield will ever see a fucking Super Bowl.

I have seen enough Kosar/Marty/Mayfield/ShitMyPantski we'll get em' next year bull shit. Enough already. How many mother fucking 10 - 7 seasons do we want to endure? How many more mother fucking jokes about how much of a shit hole Cleveland is we want to listen to?

In 2020, what manner of fucking dunce believes that a midget who throws spin art passes is worth wasting even more time with?

Extreme? Me? Brother.................... I am not extreme. Extreme is doing the same fucking thing over and over and over and justifying with the most idiotic asteriks imaginable.

Even BDU who defends this turd openly says, "yes, he is not a franchise QB, and he isn't as good as the top guys, but we should keep him'

 
And call me Ghoolie :)
type-o my man. no worries will do.
umm yeah extreme is firing the entire FO,baker and the coaching staff.thats what Id call an extreme move
also trying to contort the facts and figures to make baker a HOF QB is also an extreme. (some sarcasm back atcha unc)
others would say their swift executions would be extreme. I guess it depends on your POV.
can you both agree we need to draft a B plan at QB? can I get you guys to agree to that? 2nd or 3rd rd even?

BTW ghoolie know whos going to burn a '23 1st rd pick and move up into the top 10 for kenny "oh no" pickett? the steelers. an what a steal!
you'll go .500 at best for the next 2-3 years. bottom feeders of the AFCN.the ghost of dan marino beckons you to draft a panther at QB.
 
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We draft at QB #1. In three years, we churn him through three different head coaches (One is already out of the league completely, another may be out of the league next year after being demoted to a TE coach) and they all run very difference offenses. Then in year four, we play him despite the fact he suffered an injury which puts other players on IR - and we get enraged that his level of play declines.

And the most insane part is he plays well. He doesn't live up to the top five players in the league, but he objectively has played at a productive level. But we're just sick of seeing him. Release him. Replace him with either veterans who haven't played as well as he has and are available as a result, or draft from a quarterback class which realistically may have every team in the top 10 passing on them because it's widely believed to be a pretty crappy class.

But it's okay. He's a bad person because he recently stated he wants to spend less time on social media because he doesn't want to read the perfectly balanced, fair and civil death threats he and his wife are getting. I mean, he doesn't want to read about how much he sucks and should be traded. I mean, because he's childish. I agree with you guys, I'm sick of these entitled players these days spending such little time on Twitter. I want a real quarterback who spends most of his time on Twitter. It's what leaders do.

The only real answer we have is to fire the coach, release Baker, hire a new coach and draft a rookie QB who'll have that coach for at least 10 games because we do value continuity.

Make it make sense.
Bro, a debate is supposed to be point-counterpoint, not just reciting the same things.

1) Baker said his injuries did not affect him - So you are saying Baker is a liar? Or he only cares about himself and not the team? Which is it,

2) ShitMyPantski agreed that Mayfield's injuries did not affect him - So you are saying he was not only lying, but he put our QB at risk? And this is a coach you want to keep?

3) You say Mayfield had injuries that would put all other QBs on IR - So are you saying that coaches that would protect their QB ad put him in IR to get fixed are wrong, but ShitMyPantski who kept playing Mayfield is smarter than them?

This is the problem with those who support Mayfield. Always, you rewrite history at the season's end to fit your narrative. You make asteriks, bro.

As far as social media, AGAIN, you create your own narrative. I repeatedly called him out for deprecating himself and the organization by getting into social media shit storms with idiot fans. It was NOT death threats dude, it was him making himself look foolish and everyone across the NFL nation laughing at him.

If there are death threats against him, he is going to know about every single one of them whether he is posting on social media or not. The Browns, the police and the NFL all monitor this shit, and when a death threat is made, the potential victim is ALWAYS notified about it, and questioned to see if there is any real life connection/evidence.

If you want to defend Mayfield, have at it. but stop making shit up.
 
type-o my man. no worries will do.
umm yeah extreme is firing the entire FO,baker and the coaching staff.thats what Id call an extreme move
also trying to contort the facts and figures to make baker a HOF QB is also an extreme. (some sarcasm back atcha unc)
others would say their swift executions would be extreme. I guess it depends on your POV.
can you both agree we need to draft a B plan at QB? can I get you guys to agree to that? 2nd or 3rd rd even?

BTW ghoolie know whos going to burn a '23 1st rd pick and move up into the top 10 for kenny "oh no" pickett? the steelers. an what a steal!
you'll go .500 at best for the next 2-3 years. bottom feeders of the AFCN
LOL, well if you knew me, you would know that my bark is worse than my bite. But for the sake of normalcy, and respect for a sensible take, I will absolutely agree with you that firing the entire group is indeed extreme. Now, honestly, if I were to purchase the Browns? Honest to God, I really would fire every last one of these dumb motherfuckers. Chuck Noll did it. But as we know, he really did get pretty lucky with a Forrest Gumpian stroke of luck in his drafts and rebuilding. That shit is not likely to ever happen again.

But here, since you made the request, this is what I would honestly do.

1) There are no high probability franchise guys on the horizon. Dumb lick with a Brady in the 6th? Absolutely draft a 3d or lower round guy and take a shot at the Roulette wheel.

2) I do not believe in Baker, and I believe he will do more damage than good. Since there absolutely are a pretty big bunch of veterans who are better than Mayfield, I would trade Baker if I could and acquire a stop gap who is a lot better than what we have. Garappolo certainly did better than Mayfield ever did.

I am going to guess that bringing in one of these guys AND keeping Mayfield for a competition is not cap practical.

ShitMyPantksi has flaws that are correctable, and he has been better than the jackoffs preceeding him. So, if I am king, I would keep him and see if we can make him more game savvy.

Finally, regarding the Steelers, and I don't engage in this to piss anyone off. I really don't like the fuckers but at least grant me that in this instance you are the one who interjected the Steelers.

Most hear believe that the Steelers are fucked. Reports are that they had no plan and dropped the ball while Ben was getting old. Maybe, it certainly is one possibility, and if we are being honest, it is the possibility that a Browns fan likes and hopes will be the case. But just as you pointed out my extreme nature, if we are being honest, this constant projecting of "The Steelers are fucked" is kind of extreme too because as much as we hate it, it just never seems to come true.

So you be honest with me. If I would have come in here at the beginning of the season and predicted that the Steelers would sweep the Browns and go to the playoffs, I might have been banned. Certainly I would have been attacked. Agreed? Yet this is exactly what happened.

So, do you really think it is etched in Stone that the Steelers are fucked in 2022? Since you projected what their 2022 will look like, allow me to give mine. Historically hey are a promote from within franchise so there is some probability that they will give Mason Rudolph his run at the team. At the same time, it is 2022 and shit has changed. They have Ben $$ and can sign a Garoppolo or Wilson under the guise that they need both a starter and a backup and call it a QB competition while still honoring their promote form within culture. So regardless, Rudolph remains family.

The Steelers with Wilson or Garoppolo versus the Browns with Mayfield? I don't know man, I think that favors the Steelers. I just don't see them being anywhere near to accepting a shit year as the Browns are. Mind you, I am not cheering for them, but the reality is we have to play them, and at least in 2021, they punked the Browns with a relic behind center.
 
The Steelers with Wilson or Garoppolo
you're dreaming. what about rudolph or kenny pickett? thats more realistic.
you like the idea of replacing 1 all pro QB with another. generally that doesnt happen.12 teams are going to be fighting over 2-3 veteran QB's. the rest (including PITT) will be reaching like crazy in this thin QB draft.willis,pickett and corral will all go top 10.
Absolutely draft a 3d or lower round guy and take a shot at the Roulette wheel.
YES! why not right? zappe fits the bill nicely. but can I get you to the 2nd rd?
whos going to burn a '23 1st rd pick and move up into the top 10 for kenny "oh no" pickett? the steelers. an what a steal!
you'll go .500 at best for the next 2-3 years. bottom feeders of the AFCN.the ghost of dan marino beckons you to draft a panther at QB.
come on man,you could see the steelers doing this couldnt you? Its right down their alley.
 
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you're dreaming. what about rudolph or kenny pickett? thats more realistic.
you like the idea of replacing 1 all pro QB with another. generally that doesnt happen.12 teams are going to be fighting over 2-3 veteran QB's. the rest (including PITT) will be reaching like crazy in this thin QB draft.willis,pickett and corral will all go top 10.

YES! why not right? zappe fits the bill nicely. but can I get you to the 2nd rd?

come on man,you could see the steelers doing this couldnt you? Its right down their alley.
I hope I am wrong. I really have no love for the fuckers. It would be satisfying to see them struggle. At one time I was the king Steeler Troll, back when we were smashmouth. Who knows, maybe 2022 will be a banner year. I just want to see a Browns championship.
 
You think he played well? Didnt he finish in the bottom 5 or something? Personally i dont really care about stats other than the win loss stat. What i cannot get past is his win loss record against teams with winning records. And 4th quarter wins. He sucks in both of those categories.......

I think he played well in his first three years. And two of those years were just objectively good years. He set a rookie touchdown record in year one, and in year three he was one of the most efficient players in the NFL. It got us to the playoffs, him voted to the top 100 players and things were looking good.

I think he played well prior to his injury this season. The first few games of the year were excellent. We were super productive on offense, he was guiding things at a high level and looking good despite early injuries to Wills and Landry. As I've pointed out, we were 3-2 and our two looses were when the defence gave up 33 and 47 points.

I'm not too down on him for his win-loss record against winning teams because we've been too consistently outplayed by better opposition across the board. There has been plenty of games where he's sucked against good teams, but also plenty of games where he hasn't been the problem against good teams. I agree he lacks that clutch gene, however. He's had a few chances to win it and failed to move the sticks.

But, that's a personal difference. I just don't like to blame any one player for win and loss numbers. It's just not how the game is played. Not everyone is equal in a loss.
 
I think he played well in his first three years. And two of those years were just objectively good years. He set a rookie touchdown record in year one, and in year three he was one of the most efficient players in the NFL. It got us to the playoffs, him voted to the top 100 players and things were looking good.

I think he played well prior to his injury this season. The first few games of the year were excellent. We were super productive on offense, he was guiding things at a high level and looking good despite early injuries to Wills and Landry. As I've pointed out, we were 3-2 and our two looses were when the defence gave up 33 and 47 points.

I'm not too down on him for his win-loss record against winning teams because we've been too consistently outplayed by better opposition across the board. There has been plenty of games where he's sucked against good teams, but also plenty of games where he hasn't been the problem against good teams. I agree he lacks that clutch gene, however. He's had a few chances to win it and failed to move the sticks.

But, that's a personal difference. I just don't like to blame any one player for win and loss numbers. It's just not how the game is played. Not everyone is equal in a loss.
I hear what your saying but again his record sucks against winning teams and when the game is on the line. Is it coaching? Partially but Baker shares that blame
 
This year's QB draft class stinks out loud. Jimmy G sucks. Who else is actually available? Cousins? No thanks.

The reality is this: unless an elite talent is offered to Cleveland at a basement bargain price, Baker Mayfield will be the Browns QB in 2022. This FO will not sacrifice the future to acquire an aging, expensive QB. It's simply not their MO. Baker is cheap (relatively speaking), and he needs a healthy season and actual weapons around him to see if the 2nd half of the 2020 season was legit. He will get that chance this coming year.
 
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