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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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The reality is this: unless an elite talent is offered to Cleveland at a basement bargain price, Baker Mayfield will be the Browns QB in 2022.
agree 100. but it looks like he wont be the ONLY QB option anymore LOLwhich will be a good thing for this team.
hey,If it can happen to GB12 it can happen to BM too.
 
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agree 100. but it looks like he wont be the ONLY QB option anymore LOLwhich will be a good thing for this team.
hey,If it can happen to GB12 it can happen to BM too.

But he is really the only QB option for 2022. Who else is a realistic option?

- Rodgers? No
- Wilson? No
- Jimmy G? I fucking hope not
- Carr? Not on the market anymore

Who?
 
Who else is a realistic option?
we are drafting a QB high pick (1st or 2nd rd).we may even trade up to get him.you dont have the internet?
now you're going to say."none of those guys are a starting NFL QB" an Im going to say."what If baker comes out and looks like '21 baker?" then you'd say "he wont" I say "he might"
none of that matters,the fact is we are going to draft a QB for a hundred good smart reasons and you have the proof.our scout team arent watching these QB's in that bama rain for nothing.a rookie WR? wont make a huge difference to this team anyhow.
personally I would like to sit said rookie QB for a year but that might be unrealistic If baker stinks or gets hurt again.
SHOULD BROWNS DRAFT A QB IN 2022?
Its not crazy.you know whats crazy?doing the same thing over and over and expecting a change.
look how quickly the cleveland media have changed their minds about the draft! Its amazing the about face.
last week it was a terrible long shot idea.now?its which QB are we picking LOL
Browns should consider Malik Willis
I wanted us to draft a QB last year (later rounds) and got laughed off the board.in retrospect it would have been masterful given the disaster of last season.an here we are a year later.drafting a QB.
 
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now you're going to say."none of those guys are a starting NFL QB" an Im going to say."what If baker comes out and looks like '21 baker?" then you'd say "he wont" I say "he might"

How does drafting a bad QB prospect in the first round help us?

This front office just isn't going to reach on an inferior prospect. This is a fantastic draft, just not for quarterbacks. We're not going to pass up one of these very talented kids to take a quarterback to sit behind Baker or be thrown to the wolves if Baker gets hurt.

This is exactly why Andrew Berry said he openly anticipates Mayfield being our quarterback. Why the Giants are openly saying they want to see what Daniel Jones has. Teams aren't hot on this quarterback class.

It's brutal to say, but this draft is much like 2010 and 2013 at the quarterback position. The guys just aren't getting great evaluations.
 
It’s easy to say draft a QB but blowing your top picks doesn’t make us a better team this year.
It might If
baker thinks hes #47 lynch and starts making tackles again or gets hurt at any time
or If they draft willis and use him as a situational plan B QB in GL and 3rd downs to spice up this white bread OFF.
rolling out willis on the 15 yard line? a nightmare for DC's who have prepared for BM.that doesnt excite you as a browns fan?
 
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It's brutal to say, but this draft is much like 2010 and 2013 at the quarterback position. The guys just aren't getting great evaluations.
there are 1 or 2 great prospects at QB in this draft.there could be one of the other 5 fall to #44 but IMO I dont think so.
you dont draft a kid out of collage for what he is today but for what he might become tomorrow and the truth is..
we just dont know. If MKC is diown there watching the scouts and she just wrote an article suggesting we draft willis?guess what? she sees and knows what we dont so believe it browns fans.we are drafting a QB.
for me?willis is the only 1st rd talent I would draft or trade up for or Id settle for zappe/strong in the 2nd rd with a WR in the 1st.

you guys keep saying its not happening,even though its happening right before your eyes.
the truth is baker has made some big mistakes off the field last year that has really pissed some people off.
I think thats the big reason this is happening.that and the fact he was badly hurt last year and there are lots of variables there.you guys keep ignoring the fact that our scouts havent interviewed a QB in years.until now.
for posters who hate baker and the FO you should rejoice.because If this fails? this is a move that gets you fired.
This is exactly why Andrew Berry said he openly anticipates Mayfield being our quarterback.
another way to look at it is he said that so baker would not be so upset when we draft a rook to sit behind him
 
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there are 1 or 2 great prospects at QB in this draft.there could be one of the other 5 fall to #44 but IMO I dont think so.
you dont draft a kid out of collage for what he is today but for what he might become tomorrow and the truth is..
we just dont know. If MKC is diown there watching the scouts and she just wrote an article suggesting we draft willis?guess what? she sees and knows what we dont so believe it browns fans.we are drafting a QB.
for me?willis is the only 1st rd talent I would draft or trade up for or Id settle for zappe in the 2nd rd with a WR in the 1st.

you guys keep saying its noit happening,even though its happening right before your eyes.
the truth is baker has made some big mistakes off the field last year that has really pissed some people off.
I think thats the big reason this is happening.that and the fact he was badly hurt last year and there are lots of variables there.
for posters who hate baker and the FO you should rejoice.because If this fails? this is a move that gets you fired.

I think you're looking too deep. Every single team is going to evaluate, interview and consider the quarterbacks.

MKC knows this better than anyone. But she also knows better than anyone that no news sells better in the offseason than a quarterback search. I'm not surprised she's cashing in on this. There are a lot of people who don't like Baker and want him replaced, and she's happy to collect the revenue from their clicks.

Maybe you're right. I think all signs point to Baker in 2022.
 
I think all signs point to Baker in 2022.
FFS nobody is saying were drafting a starter.I agree baker will start in '22.no sh^t.he deserves a fair shot at it.
I know you're not against a 2nd rd QB. were not that far apart.
But she also knows better than anyone that no news sells better in the offseason than a quarterback search.
are you suggesting she and pickett got together and made this up for clicks?
our scouts are interviewing QB's for the 1st time since baker was drafted.fact.
she seems to have formed an opinion that we will draft a QB this year as a #1 priority.fact.

none of this will matter If detroit takes willis with the 2nd pick overall.If we settled for strong,pickett or ridder at #13?
I may throwup myself.
 
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FFS nobody is saying were drafting a starter.I agree baker will start in '22.no sh^t.he deserves a fair shot at it.
I know you're not against a 2nd rd QB. were not that far apart.

are you suggesting she and pickett got together and made this up for clicks?
our scouts are interviewing QB's for the 1st time since baker was drafted.fact.
she seems to have formed an opinion that we will draft a QB this year as a #1 priority.fact.

none of this will matter If detroit takes willis with the 2nd pick overall.If we settled for strong,pickett or ridder at #13?
I may throwup myself.


No MKC is a fraud who is yellow...
 
half time at the senior bowl and..? geez these QB's look like sh^t. trading up for willis? IS a reach! a BIG reach around!
definitely changing my mind about a 1st rd QB.be better off in the 2nd rd with (in order) strong,ridder,zappe.
so,Im back on board with a 1st rd WR.I like london or williams.olave's good but too short for me(and baker)
now Im in the camp of..I hope we DONT draft a 1st rd QB.willis is no where near a recruit like lamar and he went #32.
I stand by the need,Its the quality thats lacking.would josh rosen be worthy of a backup spot?

this draft? Is the worst Ive seen in the last 5 years hands down, not even close.It just so happens there are 5-6 great WR prospects.the DB's I can count on 1 hand.TE? only 2 stack up.DT and DE? again just a handful.terrible man just awful.
the band is great! can I draft the hurricanes trombone player?
 
we are drafting a QB high pick (1st or 2nd rd).we may even trade up to get him.you dont have the internet?
now you're going to say."none of those guys are a starting NFL QB" an Im going to say."what If baker comes out and looks like '21 baker?" then you'd say "he wont" I say "he might"
none of that matters,the fact is we are going to draft a QB for a hundred good smart reasons and you have the proof.our scout team arent watching these QB's in that bama rain for nothing.a rookie WR? wont make a huge difference to this team anyhow.
personally I would like to sit said rookie QB for a year but that might be unrealistic If baker stinks or gets hurt again.
SHOULD BROWNS DRAFT A QB IN 2022?
Its not crazy.you know whats crazy?doing the same thing over and over and expecting a change.
look how quickly the cleveland media have changed their minds about the draft! Its amazing the about face.
last week it was a terrible long shot idea.now?its which QB are we picking LOL
Browns should consider Malik Willis
I wanted us to draft a QB last year (later rounds) and got laughed off the board.in retrospect it would have been masterful given the disaster of last season.an here we are a year later.drafting a QB.

We aren’t drafting a QB early unless Baker is gone or is being traded.

No thank you on Willis.
 
but you were so sure
I stand by the need,Its the quality thats lacking
If the information changes? I re-adjust my position.
the highlight tapes on those guys looked great but to see them play live with good competition? :poop::poop::poop::poop:
thats not to say they wont draft a QB at #13,Im just not down wddit after that shambles of a game.smh
they say matt corral was the big winner out of the QB's because he didnt come.that speaks volumes.
hey, I dont mind being wrong.you gotta risk it ta get the biscuit but there are no cookies in this mofo jar!
 
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If the information changes? I re-adjust my position.
the highlight tapes on those guys looked great but to see them play live with good competition? :poop::poop::poop::poop:
thats not to say they wont draft a QB at #13,Im just not down wddit after that shambles of a game.smh
they say matt corral was the big winner out of the QB's because he didnt come.that speaks volumes.
hey, I dont mind being wrong.you gotta risk it ta get the biscuit but there are no cookies in this mofo jar!
You missed sleep walking and being a sheeple.:confused:
 
yeah,after the senior bowl I changed my mind.the lions? they might still draft him.
willis will still go 1st rd.regardless. prolly top 10.dont get it twisted hes the standout player at the SB.I just think Its because there is no one else QB wise.

 
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