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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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yeah,after the senior bowl I changed my mind.the lions? they might still draft him.
willis will still go 1st rd.regardless. prolly top 10.dont get it twisted hes the standout player at the SB.I just think Its because there is no one else QB wise.



He's shorter than Baker...has worse pocket awareness and makes Baker look like a genius from a decision making standpoint. Willis should be a 3rd or 4th round draft pick...but some QB needy team will be dumb enough to take him earlier. Just pray it's not Cleveland or we will be looking for another QB early in the draft in 2-3 years.
 
He's shorter than Baker...has worse pocket awareness and makes Baker look like a genius from a decision making standpoint. Willis should be a 3rd or 4th round draft pick...but some QB needy team will be dumb enough to take him earlier. Just pray it's not Cleveland or we will be looking for another QB early in the draft in 2-3 years.
Im not familiar with the guy.
Why is his pocket awr bad? Takes a lot of sacks?
 
This year's QB draft class stinks out loud. Jimmy G sucks. Who else is actually available? Cousins? No thanks.

The reality is this: unless an elite talent is offered to Cleveland at a basement bargain price, Baker Mayfield will be the Browns QB in 2022. This FO will not sacrifice the future to acquire an aging, expensive QB. It's simply not their MO. Baker is cheap (relatively speaking), and he needs a healthy season and actual weapons around him to see if the 2nd half of the 2020 season was legit. He will get that chance this coming year.
In case you've missed it, he's had talent around him. Some predicted Cleveland where Cincinnati currently sits before the season started with all the talent.
 
In case you've missed it, he's had talent around him. Some predicted Cleveland where Cincinnati currently sits before the season started with all the talent.

The difference is that Cincy has stud WR's and what looks to be an elite QB. Cleveland has none of those things. We decided building OL and RB was more important in a passing league.
 
The difference is that Cincy has stud WR's and what looks to be an elite QB. Cleveland has none of those things. We decided building OL and RB was more important in a passing league.
They had a stud running wide open on nearly every route. Only Baker could not read pre snap reads, read a defense, held on to the ball too long and to boot he couldn't see him or anyone else running wide open play after play after play. I'd say that reciever qualified as a stud........not only was he the final piece in a SuperBowl run had this qb and coach recognized it, but now he's the final piece in a SuperBowl appearance for another team because of incompetence in Cleveland......
 
Baker takes a heaping crap all over this kid. He wasn't half the QB in college Baker was. Lacks Baker's accuracy. Willis has zero touch...throws every pass 100 mph. He's shorter than Baker. Makes worse decisions than Baker. If you hate Baker...you will absolutely detest Willis.
Maybe we can trade for that kid in a Texans jersey. If those allegations are false, we'd be getting a definite upgrade.....
 
Maybe we can trade for that kid in a Texans jersey. If those allegations are false, we'd be getting a definite upgrade.....

Allegations aside, Watson is an elite NFL QB. He would certainly be a an upgrade and give the Browns a better chance with the roster 'as-is'. I would still want to add WR's to this roster. Add him, Garrett Wilson and somebody like Godwin in FA and our offense is ready to roll.
 
Allegations aside, Watson is an elite NFL QB. He would certainly be a an upgrade and give the Browns a better chance with the roster 'as-is'. I would still want to add WR's to this roster. Add him, Garrett Wilson and somebody like Godwin in FA and our offense is ready to roll.
What’s your take on the allegations against him? You had the inside scoop before the shit went down?
 
He's shorter than Baker...has worse pocket awareness and makes Baker look like a genius
the thing that made me reach for the clicker was his speed.he looks like hes running in concrete.so slow.my nana's quicker.
and hes a dual threat QB? LOL at NFL speed this kid gets smoked.Im sorry but jackson and RG3? light years ahead of this kid.
then all the scouts raved about him? the QB of the future? I dont think so.If I hear "cannon arm" one more time?
 
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Allegations aside, Watson is an elite NFL QB. He would certainly be a an upgrade and give the Browns a better chance with the roster 'as-is'. I would still want to add WR's to this roster. Add him, Garrett Wilson and somebody like Godwin in FA and our offense is ready to roll.


I don't want Watson... Hes selfish and a quitter.,..
 
What’s your take on the allegations against him? You had the inside scoop before the shit went down?
I only sort of knew him in Clemson. But I was told the money definitely had an affect on him in some ways. Do I think he did anything wrong? No, most likely not. Although we can get into a lot of gray area. The fact that the police have interviewed these accusers and have still failed to charge Watson with anything says a lot. Don't he think he would be charged with something by now if there was true legitimacy to these accusations? I do.

The lawyer representing the accusers is a known, huge, Texans fan. So it's weird that he would go after a player. It's also weird that he decided to go after Watson once he publicly acknowledged he wanted out of Houston. I think he dug for some girls who had sexual encounters and talked some of them into a pay day. Hell, it shouldn't be that hard to find 20 or so girls who had sexual encounters with an NFL athlete who want to get paid...most are trying in the first place.

We'll see what happens. The Texans asking price was something like 3 #1's...and I don't want the Browns to mortgage the future for a with a huge salary. That hurts us 2 ways...acquiring talent in the draft and in FA with a limited salary cap.
 
what ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty" ?
..unless Its alleged sexual misconduct I guess.then you can just be openly ridiculed and slandered endlessly without evidence.
they can take your career,your reputation and basically destroy you before you even enter a courtroom.
look at gruden.since when is being an a-hole illegal? free speech?LOL this sh^t is whack.why have courts when we have twittr?
I pine for the 80's some times.If this happened then?gruden would have a presser with his wife with teary eyes,profusely apologise make a big donation to an appropriate charity but keep his job and move forward.we used to be allowed to fu&k up.you never said some sh^t you never really meant? Its so weak for big corps like the raiders or even the NFL to throw their people under the bus in a heartbeat because they made a mistake.the worlds gone mad.completely mad.
this watson case is a fu&king shakedown.thats all it is. If he started writing crazy cheques? this all goes away.
thats a mofo shakedown.legal,public extortion.
Extortion is sometimes called the "protection racket" because the racketeers often phrase their demands as payment for "protection" from (real or hypothetical) threats from unspecified other parties; though often, and almost always, such "protection" is simply abstinence of harm from the same party, and such is implied in the "protection" offer.-wikipedia
 
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We'll see what happens. The Texans asking price was something like 3 #1's...and I don't want the Browns to mortgage the future for a with a huge salary. That hurts us 2 ways...acquiring talent in the draft and in FA with a limited salary cap.
I remember speculation the Patriots had attempted to trade up with the Browns because McDaniels and Caserio were all in on Mayfield. Baker's value is undoubtedly low right now, but I wonder if he's potentially got some value.

If the Browns think Watson can lead the team to the Superbowl, a couple of late first round picks is a small price to pay.
 
we can win with baker,we can.this upcoming schedule is weak as piss.Its made for us.
last year was a murderers row.Its going to make all the difference.I hope the kids learnt alot from last year and can make better choices on and off the field.I'm predicting a playoff run this year,now.special teams needs some work big time.
Im not sold on watson like the other big names that come up.3 x 1sts for him? I wouldnt do it myself.legal trouble or not.
from - bakers distraught auntie.
 
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