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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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According to Albert Breer, the quarterback evaluations following the senior bowl have been brutal. Breer said multiple NFL talent evaluators told him there is not a starting quarterback in the bunch, and it was unanimous that none of the prospects measured up to the top 5 quarterbacks from the 2021 - and it's worth keeping in mind the 2021 class wasn't great in their first year. Mac Jones played well (He threw 22 touchdowns to 13 interceptions, he was actually pretty average - no idea how he's a pro-bowler) but the rest either struggled or hardly played.



I know I've been harsh on the 2022 class but I really wouldn't be shocked if none are selected in the first round.

I will tell you what will surprise me. It will surprise me if a couple really good QBs don't come out of the 2022 draft that all the experts advised us were shit. Tom Brady 6th round, Russell Wilson 3d round, Drew Brees 2nd Round, Kurt Warner - Undrafted, Brett Favre 2nd round, Mark Rypien, 6th round, Joe Montana 3d round, Joe Theisman 4th round, and of course, the guy ALL THE EXPERTS knew are a shit QB not worth drafting, Roger Staubach in the 10th round.

People who think that shit like Combines, stopwatches, sprints and goofy fucking picnic drills, or the competition a guy faced in college can be used as intelligent gauges to determining who will be and who won't be a great NFL QB are fucking jackoffs.

A man cannot be defined by analytical data. If this was the case, the NFL experts would never miss a fucking draft pick. There would never be QB like the ones listed above that these analytical experts passed on.

Fuck that bullshit. Men are far more than can be predicted with a fucking laptop and a stopwatch. I will bet dollars to donuts that at some point we will see some very good QBs come out of this draft. Now, are you saying that the available QBs in this draft don't score well on the tests? The tests that guys like Hue Jackson rely on?

I can swirl my cock and vote yay or nay on a prospect based on if it rests on the right or left side, and I PROMISE you, my picks will do just as well as Kipers' picks. Jesus, these kids worked their entire life to have a chance to be drafted and play in the NFL and they have to listen to armchair cocksuckers slamming them and critiquing them? Fuck that, they should let the draftees have access to the media and rate the owners and coaches, and see how those dumb bastards like it.

By the way, I am glad that fuzzy head headband Patrick Mahomo will be trading handjobs with Mayfield on Sunday,
 
You'd know, considering you subject this board regularly to your 3rd grade level of grammar and inane, idiotic babble.
You mean as opposed to your eloquent prose attacking a 73 year cancer survivor who doesn't even post here, using vulgarity to insult wives, and constantly making references to your bizarre fetish of cuckolding?

Yes, yes, yes, you are a regular fucking William Faulkner.
 
yup,I could absolutely see PITT wanting to trade up to @10ish to get one of the top 3 QB's in this draft.
they are 1 team where a rook QB might actually be effective.with our history vs running QB's? I dont want them taking willis.
he could actually give us problems (well, more so than corral or pickett) would I trade down with them for a '23 1st or 2nd? YES I would.next years draft will be 2x as good as this one and a great WR will still be on the board at #20 (london?)
I concur,teams will reach for QB's in this draft and it will be good for us.(any 1st rd QB in this draft is a reach IMO :LOL: )

20: R1 P20 WR Treylon Burks - Arkansas
44: R2 P12 QB Carson Strong - Nevada
78: R3 P14 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia
98: R3 P34 TE Isaiah Likely - Coastal Carolina
106: R4 P2 LB Leo Chenal - Wisconsin
117: R4 P13 DL Travis Jones - Connecticut
138: R4 P34 WR Khalil Shakir - Boise State
155: R5 P12 OT Braxton Jones - Southern Utah

Trade Partner: Pittsburgh Steelers
Sent: 2022 Round 1 Pick 13
Received:2022 Round 1 Pick 20
2023 Round 2 Pick
2022 Round 4 Pick 34

using very latest fanspeak BB out this morning.as If davis will be there in the 3rd rd? london is moving up boards.
this mock assumes we lose juice,wilson and hooper. (keep njoku,cut hooper) but keep clowney. 🙏
#5? KING of the jungle!


As I said elsewhere Hays, a lot of great QBs were not taken early, and left a lot of teams wondering why TF they passed. Back on TBB at one time, Rich4Eagle posted an article or study/breakdown that showed just as many great, QBs came from 2nd or later rounds than came from the first round.

I will repeat, IF the analytics actually meant something, that is to say that they could predict good players with any more accuracy than pot luck/random guessing, then yes, I would say there are no promising QBs in this draft.

But you mark my words, there are. It may take a couple years, but it never fails to happen, we will be watching some 4th round QB lighting it up and say to ourselves, "how the fuck did we pass on this guy"?

I think the entire system of analyzing talent in the NFL is horseshit. I believe it is just more Millennial/Gen X coward shit. Because execs don't want to take responsibility for blown picks, they came up with all this analytical (laptop) shit, so they can blame it on the numbers, and say "hey, who knew, the analytics all pointed to this guy".

Every year, teams wind up with some diamonds in the rough, guys they never expected to be stars. We need guys who can pick those fuckers out.
 
His physic? While we are out getting a new QB, perhaps we can pick you up the "hooked on phonics" book, or some such thing? LMAO....Nuthin but love bro, but that is some funny shit.
It just speaks to his work ethic man.the guys is not an off season driller like brees.an Its a shame.
If you're a pro athlete your body is your career. we all know guys that love the gym and fitness.I've trained with doctors etc who are buff AF just for the fun of it.but a pro athlete cant get up for it? baker doesnt work hard in the OFF.LOL.Im sorry but Its a fact.If he did?you'd be able to tell.I dont want a new QB.Im just happy complaining about the one we have for now.LOL
"hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."
 
It just speaks to his work ethic man.the guys is not an off season driller like brees.an Its a shame.
If you're a pro athlete your body is your career. we all know guys that love the gym and fitness.I've trained with doctors etc who are buff AF just for the fun of it.but a pro athlete cant get up for it? baker doesnt work hard in the OFF.LOL.Im sorry but Its a fact.If he did?you'd be able to tell.I dont want a new QB.Im just happy complaining about the one we have for now.LOL
"hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."
I wasn't disagreeing with you bro, just laughing at the physic typo. Funny shit when we jab each other. But on the topic, I just don't know. I bet Billy Kilmer and Sonny Jourgensen looked pretty flabby without a shirt. LOL. But that pic of Baker does make you wonder.
 
look at his physic. thats a pro athlete? his body is his career? Im crazy saying we need a backup?

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Look I'm as much a fan of the board's latent homosexuality as anyone else, but going over his body in such detail is silly. Baker has never reported for duty out of shape and him being overweight has never been an issue in our colours. An unflattering picture taken a few offseasons ago just isn't a factor.

Also, on Gabe's point, I don't think he's lazy. The guy learned three offenses in three years. He's shown clear progression in the NFL. It's not that he isn't putting in work, I just question if he's working inefficiently when it comes to his fundamentals. I think that's what makes it confusing. I'd get it if the guy was just lazy.
 
Look I'm as much a fan of the board's latent homosexuality as anyone else, but going over his body in such detail is silly. Baker has never reported for duty out of shape and him being overweight has never been an issue in our colours. An unflattering picture taken a few offseasons ago just isn't a factor.

Also, on Gabe's point, I don't think he's lazy. The guy learned three offenses in three years. He's shown clear progression in the NFL. It's not that he isn't putting in work, I just question if he's working inefficiently when it comes to his fundamentals. I think that's what makes it confusing. I'd get it if the guy was just lazy.


He's not a total lazy slob like Johnny Fucktard!
 
but going over his body in such detail
grow up,what are you 7? dont get all distraught on me.he may not be lazy but hes not the hardest worker in sports either.
He's shown clear progression in the NFL.
really? the CB dont agree.no contract.It remains to be seen.
I just question if he's working inefficiently
ahh thats all I did too.
 
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more personal insults because an oversensitive poster cant handle a different POV. grow up.
It's not a personal insult to say the board is latent homosexual. Firstly, because being gay isn't a bad thing. Secondly, you can't deny the sexual tension in here. It's either going to end in all-out war or a digital orgy. I'm not saying I want the latter to happen, just that I am prepared for the moment I have to plough Nickers like the first crop of spring.

When duty calls;

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But I stand by the point. A sole unflattering picture taken of the guy during the offseason isn't the reason why he's had his struggles. Which, in my opinion, makes it worse. Like I said, I could handle it if he was lazy. It answers the question. Right now, I feel like we don't have the answer to why he's so against working with a tutor to fix his issues.
 
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